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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 101 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The Zionist insistence on smearing all Jewish people with the crimes of the Zionist entity is antisemitic.

[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 66 points 8 months ago

"all Jews are bloodthirsty colonizers" is fucked up and antisemitic but Israel says it constantly.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm reminded of Fanon's observation that the colonial dehumanization of the colonized subject also requires that colonizers dehumanize themselves.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago

hooks says more or less the same thing about patriarchy; Before you can create a man who serves the patriarchy you have to beat all the compassion and humanity out of a little boy.

You have to make monsters, you can't just go dig them out of cave like in Narnia or whatever.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 96 points 8 months ago

If you support Israel then you aren't a leftist. Leftists don't support imperialist ethnostates.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could call themself a leftist and not know about the free palestine movement, it's one of the issues real leftists are very loud about.

[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 57 points 8 months ago

And it's not like a new thing either. I remember Palestinian flags being waved at leftist demonstrations as far back as the mid 2000's.

[-] ArsenLupin@hexbear.net 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Lol the mid 2000s? You ever heard of the FLQ? The mostly Marxist Quebec Libération Front of the 60s? They were training in Jordan with the PLO/PFLP. As did the German RAF, Ulrike Meinhof was injured with a grenade there.

https://cjs.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/cjs/article/view/40170

The Anti-Israel Movement in Québec in the 1970s: At the Ideological Crossroads of the New Left and Liberation-Nationalism

Since the late 1950s, Third World nationalism in Algeria, Vietnam, and the Middle East had fascinated radical Quebec nationalists. Quebec nationalism’s militant arm, the Front de libération du Québec (FLQ), styled itself as a national-liberation movement fighting against Anglo-Canadian exploitation and oppression. After the Six-Day-War, the PLO became a significant source of inspiration for these elements. Quebec was their Palestine, as one prominent Quebec Nationalist asserted. This militant Quebec nationalism coincided and often overlapped with the rise of the New Left at Quebec’s universities and in its unions. Like its European and American counterparts, the Quebec New Left adopted the ideologies of anti-imperialism and anti-Zionism, and in 1972, the Quebec-Palestine Association was established in this milieu. Anti-imperialism combined the Marxist analysis of class struggle with a nationalistic worldview, which saw the world divided between oppressor and oppressed nations. For the New Left, Israel became the epitome of an oppressor nation. It was associated with all the supposed vices of the West: Racism, capitalism, inauthenticity, and militarism. This paper sheds light on the founding years of the Quebec anti-Zionist movement in the early 1970 and discusses the themes and images it used to describe Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict.

For a more American perspective, Malcom X was always Anti-Zionist.

It was Malcolm who warned us in his lifetime about the damage being done to the Palestinians, before any other African American leader or civil rights organization, just as he would take on the Vietnam War before anyone else would.

The Zionist Logic - Malcom X

The Israeli Zionists are convinced they have successfully camouflaged their new kind of colonialism.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago

Imagine going back to the 70s or 80s and telling them they were living through the high water mark of communist internationalism. Well, at least in the west, i guess. idk.

[-] ArsenLupin@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago
[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago
[-] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 16 points 8 months ago

I didn't mean to imply that was the start of the left's support for Palestine. I was only speaking from first hand experience, for as long as I've been active in leftist circles, there has been strong support for the Palestinians. Thanks for the info though.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

I remember catching shit from libs that folks wearing Keffiyehs just didn't understand the complicated politics of the middle east! :hardwringing: pearl-clutch back in the 90s and 00s.

[-] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

Excuse me what about the wholesome chungus kibbutz? It only even has a small emotional support IOF base that everyone works at.

[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 69 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"If you, a Jew, do not want to be a sniveling lapdog to America, the country that has treated you like vermin throughout history and at best is treating you like useful vermin you, you're an antisemite."

TIL not bending over to white Christians as their loyal kapo makes me an antisemite.

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago

shut up and cause the apocalypse!! cause the apocalypse!!

[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Ok (in a posadist way.)

[-] Zrc@hexbear.net 68 points 8 months ago

Confession: I've incorrectly assumed the far left doesn't have an anti-genocide problem. I believed our ranks were filled with people like me that opposed blowing up children's hospitals, not blowing up hospitals itself.

That is clearly not true.

I'm embarrassed I didn't see this sooner

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

Well put, but also when more than 40% of the population is under 14 and the median age of the country is less than 20 years old, every hospital is a children's hospital.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

Word. If we assume that most Palestinian troops are younger than 25 then most of them have likely never been outside Gaza, certainly not at a time they could remember.

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah I just... while I'm not one of the people that's like "hell yeah hamas kill the kkkolonizers* ", I mean the US and Israel picked them and supported them because of how bad they are. But whenever I see a Hamas or other Palestinian militant group, regardless of how right wing they are, I can't help but think these are literally baby prisoners, these are the actual babies that survived being born and raised in a literal concentration camp

There's a video where they bust through the fence and start walking and half of them just start crying. Like what the fuck, it's so fucked up

*active settlers are not civilians

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

There is some tragedy with the settlers. When the Arab states exiled and robbed their Jewish populations after the declaration of Israel, they all ended up fleeing to Israel because no one else would take them. And Israel didn't want them, so after trapping them in refugee camps for years it sent many of them out to the frontiers to be, pardon the term, human shields between the Arabs and the European core. Some, certainly not all, settlers are the children of people exiled from their homes due to the actions of European colonizers, then sent off to be colonial meat-shields by those same European colonizers. That's got to result in some kind of fucked up attitude towards the world, and I doubt a lot of those people ever really had much of a chance to be normal.

We were talking somewhere else on hexbear about how none of these people were born monsters; it had to be beaten in to them to hate and want to hurt people. The first victims of imperialism, colonialism, apartheid, whatever, are the oppressor's own children, who have to be beaten in to the shape of oppressors before they can be turned against the oppressed.

Lol. The Europeans even forced a name on them. "Mizrahi". Easterners. Racialized on their arrival in to the newly declared ethnostate, and immediately weaponized in the same fashion as many other racialized groups had been before.

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 66 points 8 months ago

Israel is not a race. And much as it claims to, it doesn't speak for an entire race either.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago

It sucks. Like Wu is iffy on a good day, but just straight up buying in to "All Jewish people are Zionists" right now is... idk, shit sucks.

[-] charly4994@hexbear.net 65 points 8 months ago

How do people like this even believe they're "far left." If you're a raging transphobe and zionist apologist you should realize that you're not actually "far left," fuck you're not even center left. Politics in the US are either Norwegian social democrats wanting free healthcare and genocide of the third world or American Christian Nationalists with various other flavors of naziism spread around for fun.

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 44 points 8 months ago

To people with no actual political theory, left just means good person, and how could someone be a better person than me?

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago

because she's very annoying and the far right yells at her a lot. i bet there's at least one gamergate guy who still makes new accounts to yell at her.

[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 53 points 8 months ago

Absolutely no surprise the raging transphobe is also an islamophobic colonizer and apartheid stan.

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

I knew Wu was a lib, never knew she was transphobic. What'd she do?

[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

Somebody recently posted leaks from a chat group where she and her terfy friends were trash talking a trans woman in incredibly vile ways i will not repeat here and where she spouted a bunch of transmedicalist bs. As a bonus, she also whined about how she had to keep her actual opinion about BLM secret back in 2020. You can probably find the hexbear threat about it through the search function.

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

yeah i thought she was trans lol

[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago
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[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 51 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And so the turn rightward is complete.

Not that this was a surprise to anybody actually paying attention to Brianna's ineffectual succdem mewling for the last 3 years. Brianna was only 'on the left' because she claimed to be on the left and most of the podcast sphere is too nice or politically illiterate to notice how much of a apologist liberal she always is.

[-] Orannis62@hexbear.net 44 points 8 months ago

As someone who knew her personally almost a decade ago, this is the least surprising thing lmao

[-] axont@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

I had her pinned as a bourgeois 'feminist' nepo baby when she first starting getting notoriety, so I'm not surprised either

[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

Give it a week and you'll see r/KotakuInAction bragging that they finally got Wu on their side.

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[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

Really her only claim to fame is being harassed by GamerGate freaks

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

yeah it's easy to appear leftist when the only discourse you're part of is people screaming at you for being a woman

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago

Eugh gamergate. : p

[-] wild_dog@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

i think the rightward turn was complete when it got outed that she was in a wildly transphobic groupchat and shits on nonbinary people but yeah you nailed it regarding the podcast sphere being too nice.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 49 points 8 months ago

Man she is just full of L's this year.

How do you go from 2016-2023 with understanding what settler colonialism is?

[-] wild_dog@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

it's called being a lib that pretends to be left wing. it's actually super easy!

[-] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

"EVERY ISRAELI IS GUILTY BY NOT OVERTHROWING NETANYAHU" noooo that's not fair! You can't treat us like we treat Palestine!!!

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

I did tell someone to go deal with Bibi. Gonna pop back in after a couple of hours to see how that was recieved.

[-] the_kid@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago
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[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

Brianna Eeeeeew

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[-] flan@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

What a dumb fuck

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