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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 193 points 11 months ago

ChatGPT is hilariously incompetent... but on a serious note, I still firmly reject tools like copilot outside demos and the like because they drastically reduce code quality for short term acceleration. That's a terrible trade-off in terms of cost.

[-] ToothlessFairy@lemmy.world 126 points 11 months ago

I enjoy using copilot, but it is not made to think for you. It's a better autocomplete, but don't ever let it do more than a line at once.

[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago

Yup, AI is a tool, not a complete solution.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago

As a software engineer, the number of people I encounter in a given week who either refuse to or are incapable of understanding that distinction baffles and concerns me.

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[-] takeda@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago

The problem I have with it is that all the time it saves me I have to use on reading the code. I probably spend more time on that as once in a while the code it produces is broken in a subtle way.

I see some people swearing by it, which is the opposite of my experience. I suspect that if your coding was copying code from stack overflow then it indeed improved your experience as now this process is streamlined.

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[-] stjobe@lemmy.world 56 points 11 months ago

Biggest problem with it is that it lies with the exact same confidence it tells the truth. Or, put another way, it's confidently incorrect as often as it is confidently correct - and there's no way to tell the difference unless you already know the answer.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 11 months ago

it's kinda hilarious to me because one of the FIRST things ai researchers did was get models to identify things and output answers together with the confidence of each potential ID, and now we've somehow regressed back from that point

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 23 points 11 months ago

did we really regress back from that?

i mean giving a confidence for recognizing a certain object in a picture is relatively straightforward.

But LLMs put together words by their likeliness of belonging together under your input (terribly oversimplified).the confidence behind that has no direct relation to how likely the statements made are true. I remember an example where someone made chatgpt say that 2+2 equals 5 because his wife said so. So chatgpt was confident that something is right when the wife says it, simply because it thinks these words to belong together.

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[-] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 39 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

they drastically reduce code quality for short term acceleration.

Oh boy do I have news for you, that's basically the only thing middle managers care about, short tem acceleration

[-] Poggervania@kbin.social 37 points 11 months ago

But LinkedIn bros and corporate people are gonna gobble it up anyways because it has the right buzzwords (including “AI”) and they can squeeze more (low quality) work from devs to brag about how many things they (the corporate owners) are doing.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 37 points 11 months ago

It's just a fad. There's just a small bit that will stay after the hype is gone. You know, like blockchain, AR, metaverse, NFT and whatever it was before that. In a few years there will be another breakthrough with it and we'll hear from it again for a short while, but for now it's just a one trick pony.

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I always forget Metaverse is a thing.

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[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Yeah, they think it can turn a beginner dev into an advanced dev, but really it's more like having a team of beginner devs.

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[-] PlexSheep@feddit.de 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm still convinced that GitHub copilot is actively violating copyleft licenses. If not in word, then in the spirit.

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[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 28 points 11 months ago

they drastically reduce ... quality for short term acceleration

Western society is built on this principle

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[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 167 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I predict that, within the year, AI will be doing 100% of the development work that isn't total and utter bullshit pain-in-the-ass complexity, layered on obfuscations, composed of needlessly complex bullshit.

That's right, within a year, AI will be doing .001% of programming tasks.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago

Can we just get it to attend meetings for us?

[-] starman2112@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Legitimately could be a use case

"Attend this meeting for me. If anyone asks, claim that your camera and microphone aren't working. After the meeting, condense the important information into one paragraph and email it to me."

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago

Here is a summary of the most important information from that meeting. Since there were two major topics, I've separated them into two paragraphs.

  1. It is a good morning today.
  2. Everyone is thanked for their time. Richard is looking forward to next week's meeting.

The rest of the information was deemed irrelevant to you and your position.

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[-] oce@jlai.lu 13 points 11 months ago

Big companies will take 5 years just to get there.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 148 points 11 months ago

"look i registered my own domain name all by myself!"

the domain: "localhost"

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago

I'm an elite hacker and I grabbed your IP address from this post. It's 192.168.0.1 just so you know I'm not bluffing.

[-] Rambi@lemm.ee 68 points 11 months ago

Heheh I'm ddossing them right now. Unfortunately the computer I'm doing it on is having a few connection issues

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[-] scarilog@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago

Haha punk it's actually 192.168.1.1. you dun goofed

[-] felbane@lemmy.ml 37 points 11 months ago

Sorry to doxx you but I know that's just an alias address. Your real IP is 127.0.0.1

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[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 95 points 11 months ago

Engineering is about trust. In all other and generally more formalized engineering disciplines, the actual job of an engineer is to provide confidence that something works. Software engineering may employ fewer people because the tools are better and make people much more productive, but until everyone else trusts the computer more, the job will exist.

If the world trusts AI over engineers then the fact that you don't have a job will be moot.

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[-] netburnr@lemmy.world 65 points 11 months ago

I just used copilot for the first time. It made me a ton of call to action text and website page text for various service pages inwas creating for a home builder. It was surprisingly useful, of course I modified the output a bit but overall saved me a ton of time.

[-] Daxtron2@lemmy.ml 28 points 11 months ago

Copilot has cut my workload by about 40% freeing me up for personal projects

[-] uplusion23@lemm.ee 33 points 11 months ago

Copilot is only dangerous in the hands of people who couldn't program otherwise. I love it, it's helped a ton on tedious tasks and really is like a pair programmer

[-] Daxtron2@lemmy.ml 13 points 11 months ago

Yeah it's perfect for if you can distinguish between good and bad generations. Sometimes it tries to run on an empty text file in vscode and it just outputs an ingredients list lol

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Copilot has cut my personal projects by about 40% freeing me up for work

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[-] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago

I think the correct response is "Wow. Has your mom seen it? Send her the link."

[-] scarilog@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago
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[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago

AI is only as good as the person using it, like literally any other tool in human existence.

It's meant to amplify the workload of the professional, not replace them with a layman armed with an LLM.

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This AI thing will certainly replace my MD to HTML converter and definitely not misplace my CSS and JS headers

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[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 months ago

Tbf I don't really wanna do ops work. I barely even wanna do DevOps. Let me just dev

Me too 😭
I don't want to "kubectl", I want to " make" 😭

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

You don't need to convince the devs, you need to convince the managers.

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[-] StereoTrespasser@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Wow, there is a lot of pearl-clutching and gatekeeping ITT. It's delicious!

[-] Gabu@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

On a more serious note, ChatGPT, ironically, does suck at webdev frontend. The one task that pretty much everyone agrees could be done by a monkey (given enough time) is the one it doesn't understand at all.

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[-] Littleborat@feddit.de 13 points 11 months ago

These morons are probably going to train AI wrong so job security for the next 100 years.

[-] csm10495@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

Don't forget that GPT4 was getting dumber the more it learned from people.

[-] 30p87@feddit.de 11 points 11 months ago

The only thing ChatGPT etc. is useful for, in every language, is to get ideas on how to solve a problem, in an area you don't know anything about.

ChatGPT, how can I do xy in C++?
You can use the library ab, like ...

That's where I usually search for the library and check the docs if it's actually possible to do it this way. And often, it's not.

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