“We respect when you and your communities take action to highlight the things you need, including, at times, going private,” he said.
They respect it so much they forcibly remove mods to make them public again. That's so respectful.
"We will teach them our respectful ways. By force."
Despite these concessions, dozens of Redditors promised to stop using the site altogether without access to their favorite browsing apps. But according to data from the website analytics firm SimilarWeb, traffic has largely remained consistent to the platform, aside from a pronounced dip during the blackout
Dozens of us!
I wonder if thats because most of the traffic was just bots all along who obviously aren't going to leave in protest
I only go back to Resdit when my Google search doesn't take me where I need to go.
Which, unfortunately, is far too often. In my recent experience..
The data is coming from the reddit admins, they have an interest in not looking like the idiots they are. Basically I call bullshit, I think they're lying for the IPO that'll never actually happen.
Not one mention of where said moderators who left went to..
Spend more time with my wife mostly
I also spend more time with OP's wife wife. /s
I don't post on reddit any more but I still look there now and then. I don't notice much change. From everything I've heard, the protest failed. A few snowflakes like me quit posting and/or moved to Lemmy, but mostly things at reddit were back to normal within a few weeks after the blackout.
Yaknow, i guess i get why people feel like it is hopeless to try to change the world, that trying to stand up against powerful corporations is useless, to "force their hand"impossible. and that's because it is.
But i feel that is missing the point. When you tell a company that they need to treat you a certain way or you leave, and then you follow through, you win. Forget a large company, when in this life can you ever force anyone to treat you right? You can't.
You tell em what they can do to keep your around, and if they don't, you take your self respect with your on the way out the door, and your life, the one that matters, is improved, and the next step in ending that bad relationship is no longer caring who else they might be seeing.
I for one am happy with you cats. Me n reddit are quits
That's true - it bums me out that more people didn't follow through on their threats to leave, but I did and I don't spend hours doomscrolling every day anymore. That alone is a good outcome. I learned to embroider to keep from picking up my phone over and over during the blackout and it's one of my favorite hobbies now. Also a good outcome. For me, the protest was a success. Reddit can make every stupid choice under the sun, and it doesn't impact my life in the least anymore.
I took part in the blackout and moved to Lemmy and hoped that the blackout would be successful, but realistically it looks in retrospect like it didn't matter much to Reddit. I still don't post there. I avoided reading for a while, but found myself still wanting to check on things / lurk. At least I have all the ads blocked.
People like to think that they've made some far-reaching change with what little actually happened. The painful truth is: they didn't. There wasn't a big hit to the userbase, most people on Reddit already hated moderators and didn't give a shit if they got removed, and overall people caved far too quickly (how many people folded instantly when their internet moderator position was threatened? (I say this as someone who was one of those moderators that flat out quit everything and nuked my account rather than continuing to toil for free for a corporation that hates me)).
The actually important thing that was accomplished by the protesting was platforms like Lemmy getting enough of a userbase boost to become stable - in the future, Lemmy and others may be able to act as viable alternatives to Reddit, because there's already a community here (however small). Reddit will continue to enshittify, and people will continue to leave in small numbers that may escalate to big numbers if they commit a truly massive fuckup. The more heavy Reddit users (read: more invested, not necessarily more active) are small in number compared to the vast majority who lurk, don't give a shit about any ongoing meta-drama, and don't particularly care about any changes to the UI or browsing experience as long as they can still get an endless feed of memes.
Even if it hurts to realize this, it's important to make sure people get this message beat into their skulls so that we aren't stuck with a bunch of Redditors (derogatory) with over-inflated egos that think Reddit will bend over backward to appease them, then cave as soon as they receive literally any pushback from the corporation running the site.
I think this is a good point. Lemmy pre protest sucked. There was just no content or activity. Post protest, it’s not too bad here. It’s viable. Slowly, hopefully more people end up here over the years. I still browse Reddit (not logged in, my account is kaput) and it seems the same as it was before though. However, digg too died, so there is hope yet.
I came to explore Lemmy with the migration after Reddit's API changes. Baconreader was my app of choice, and it died with the change.
I didn't have any anger against Reddit - there was no righteous "fuck you!" in my actions - but the reason I stayed on Lemmy and very rarely touch Reddit is because the concept of the fediverse really speaks to me. I want to see a more decentralized internet succeed and so that is where I will spend my time, niche as it is.
I dunno the front page seems way lower quality than it was before we left. Like not just a little.
I basically only go there for the two stupid flash games I play on my phone and sometimes a Google search ends up with reddit as the best answer. Otherwise I don't go. I used to go there dozens of times per day.
Completely stopped using Reddit since they blocked third party apps in July 2023. I never accessed Reddit through other channels than smartphone.
Exactly. This wasn't a protest as far as I'm concerned. They shut me out. So I no longer visit reddit or moderate any of my subreddits. It's that simple
Completely quit Reddit. It's a shame that the article fails to mention the fediverse as a new rising alternative in response to enshittification.
Leaving Reddit basically helped me use social media a lot less. And I'm proud of myself.
Despite spending around 15 years on Reddit, I found it surprisingly easy to quit. I do miss some niche subreddits that just won't get traction here, but overall my switch to Lemmy worked out for the best.
With that being said, Reddit is still going strong, and you're deluded if you think this will change their IPO fortunes. The quality will plummet, but once the shares are owned and sold they won't care.
It will definitely affect the ipo. Ipo's are all based on expected growth. Any loss of users, mods, content, etc affects that. It was already in the news that whatever company wrote down the value of their holdings.
I used to be a daily Reddit doomscroller, but now I just vibe on Lemmy. I only ever visit reddit now to experience my niches that don't yet have a community here, and that's just to watch, not contribute.
I look forward to the future, where communities aren't corralled into one website, where different interests can be free of anything overarching.
It is different. I had cause to go back a week or two ago to look for an old post of mine and I did have a bit of a poke about in my old subs too. It was like a war zone. Blatant no fucks given racism, incel level women hating, transphobia and ableism of the most vitriolic kind. And these weren't just the massive general subs, some of them were niche interest subs where I felt I belonged at the time. Has it changed to become like that since June or was I just so used to it before that that I'd never noticed how toxic it was? Did I just used to shrug and say to myself 'well, that's just reddit'. Literally everyone seemed angry and hateful.
I'm not claiming the fediverse is perfect or free from that sort of shit but either through the practicalities of federation, or better moderation or a smaller userbase or a more mature userbase or a mix of one or more of those things it doesn't feel exclusionary to me. I often see on posts like this some people calling Lemmy a left-wing echo chamber and whilst I do agree there's more people of a left-wing bent on here I think echo chamber is a bit much and is a phrase maybe used by those who live in a country without a functioning left-wing political party. I've not encountered a communist or tankie since Hexbear fucked off back to their kindergarten.
As for the Guardian article, they've fallen into the same trap as I'm concerned the fediverse might fall into by federating with Meta - assuming high numbers equal success or victory. If you have corporate/economics based mindset I can see how that works, but to me success equals a popular, useful community site entirely free from algorithms and other forms of manipulative control. One that isn't gathering data via ads and tracking on its userbase to sell on (lets remember that reddit weren't upset that AI were scraping reddit, they were upset that the company weren't seeing any money from that). A community that grows organically, with all that that implies - sometimes growth might be very slow, it might stop entirely for awhile, maybe even reverse - but the emphasis should be on the people making the community better.
Reddit forgot somewhere along the way that it was the users who made reddit what it was. Look at the stats for r/askreddit - in particular the posts per day and comments per day - look at the trend since 2020. There may well be the same amount of users on reddit, but we all know a certain percentage of them are bots and even if they weren't, just looking at those two graphs tells you everything about people's level of interest in participating on reddit.
The only thing high user numbers guarantee sites like reddit is ad revenue. Nothing else.
In response to such critiques, Reddit spokesperson Rathschmidt said he did not “know of an industry benchmark for scoring content quality”
Never before has the sheer inevitability of enshittification been so aptly summarized.
I used to spend hours a day on Reddit, if you add up all the little time waster breaks I take just scrolling on Baconreader.
Now i rarely visit the site.
I had 3M karma over 4 accounts, and spent about 3-5h a day there. Been a daily user for 12 years, moderating some 1M+ user communities for 7+ years.
Left reddit for good, never been back. Not once.
I wasted so much time there that I took on a part time PhD to fill the gap, and I'm excelling at it.
Thanks, u/spez... I guess?
Author didn’t seem to have a clue. Many of us didn’t protest or leave because of the fact that they implemented charges for their API - nope, was totally open to that! - it was the way they started charging.
I don’t think I’m alone either here. So many were open to paying fair prices for usage. But reddit repeatedly promised it’d be fair and reasonable. For months. And then when they finally dropped pricing info it was outlandish and would be taking effect before third parties had a chance to make appropriate changes.
This amounted to a power play meant to drive mobile users back to the reddit app. Why? Money and control. Bad for mods, users, and developers, it was a selfish play I will never forgive them for.
How did the author not know this, or if they did, why was it not front and center? Feels like they were parroting company talking points.
And if you add how Steve Huffman(Reddit's CEO, AKA u/spez) lied and manipulated information about the API talks, painting the third party developers as greedy, money hungry assholes, then got caught with his pants down when the recorded call was made public, shows how absolutely planned that move was.
Eh it failed in the most reddit way imaginable: Most of the users are too addicted to astroturf accounts posting heckin puppers and epic memes to organise a boycott beyond a few days. Reddit ownership knew how pathetic the "protest" was going to be from the outset and didn't even bother trying to disrupt it beyond nudging out a few of the remaining holdouts on subs too small to matter in the grand scheme.
All the mods who thought they were irreplaceable just discovered their users are all the more happy to digest low quality slop moderated by amateurs who are more interested in the title than doing anything to protect the quality of said content.
People are even relenting and PAYING for access to the API to use previously-free apps.
I deleted a 13 yr old account due to spez's fuckery and I haven't been back. I used to be very active in several subs but now I want fedi to happen.
On the note of traffic, I still browse Reddit because it has niche communities that I want to interact with. However, I don't comment, post, or even up/downvote anymore. My interaction is now purely browsing, and I imagine it may be similar for other once-power users.
It's the same for me
Except, i try to give reddit as little traffic as possible, unless i need it for reference for something
I only use reddit for tech related inquiries, but besides that I quit it.
I went from 8 hours of screen time a day to an average of 2 to 3 hours and Lemmy often isn't on the top. For me it has to do with a lack of content at some point, but I started enjoying it like that. If there's nothing new, I shouldn't have a reason to stick around in an app
The changes that lead to the protest were only the preparations for an IPO. When that sale actually happens, I think things will get even worse with new corporate interests and influence. This story isn't over.
Maybe Reddit didn’t die, but what was Lemmy before this? And what is it now?
I've been slowly getting back into reddit lately. While I want Lemmy to thrive and will keep contributing to help it do so it's still hardly a replacement for reddit. Compared to it, Lemmy is basically a single moderately active subreddit. If I had to name a type of person Lemmy at its current state is ideal for I'd say a left-wing activist type whose into tech and politics. While that has some overlap with what I'm interested about it still leaves out all my deepest passions and to be honest I feel really uncomfortable knowingly being in such an obvious echo chamber. I'd really wish there was more of the kind of users here that most of you probably dont want. Just to even things out a bit.
I was browsing reddit anonymously but have stopped since they killed 3rd party apps. Anyways all the news and posts are on Lemmy so no point of using reddit. Also fuck spez
I used to love Reddit, but I’ve totally abandoned it. It’s not one particular reason, but the broad effect is that I and many others no longer feel welcome.
We lost a lot of good users; people who contribute to topics, make good posts and comments. We also lost good moderators; people who cared about the content quality and vibe. The Reddit-appointed replacement mods by and large are not people who ran or SHOULD run communities.
Add in the fact that both subreddit mods and Reddit admins are going hog wild with the ban hammer on both subs and users, and it’s hardly a wonder that users aren’t having it. They’re trying to turn it into a gentrified Disneyland and that’s not what we want.
I’m hoping we can grow the Fediverse and prevent it from getting fucked by people with bad motives.
While traffic has not changed substantially, many users report the quality of content and the kinds of posts that are surfaced on user homepages now seem different. RamsesThePigeon said the content on some of Reddit’s most-followed pages, which he moderates, had “gone sharply downhill”.
This has been a long term process. I was on reddit since 2012 or so. In the early days I used it to help me change careers and grow as a developer, and keep track of tech and space news and other topics that mattered to me. But the reality is it wasn't even the API stuff that drove me away. The first thing that really got to me was when I couldn't get rid of r/all as a subscribed sub, and that was full of quick dopamine hits and clickbait. Then every sub seemed to go downhill in terms of content, filled with outrage and pictures of tweets as if I would use twitter if it only used images of text instead of raw text. By the time the blackout happened reddit had become a net negative time sink in my life and I figured it was time to cut it off for good.
Ohhhhhhh yeah - I remember reddit. Thats where thedonald nazis live right?
Reddit had a good run for over a decade, but as always with the internet, now a better thing will take its place.
This is delusional copium. By just about every single metric nothing has changed at Reddit. Mods were forced out as everyone said and Reddit is still the front page of the internet.
Reddit won't die tomorrow, likely won't die for years yet, but Lemmy is very much a viable alternative when it wasn't a shadow half a year ago. It's not a perfect change, but it's something.
Crickets on the fact that so many users of 10+ years left, deleting their content on the way out? Seems writer didn't dig very deep. Not that Rodent would give them accurate numbers or anything.
While traffic has not changed substantially, many users report the quality of content and the kinds of posts that are surfaced on user homepages now seem different.
While traffic has not changed substantially
has not changed
It's long write up with a misguiding title. No numbers to back anything after a protest phase. And with problems with API access, there won't be any from unaffilated sources.
I did found my favorite communities dropped some in activity and I myself access it just like once in a week or two from a desktop, signed off. But it didn't die. Default subs can't care and most NSFW posters are still there.
The important thing though is that Lemmy grew a lot. And it's now enough to have a hit of that reddit poison. And, arguably, it feels a little bit more personal.
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
