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[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 383 points 3 months ago

The TSA is something that shouldn't exist in its current form. They very often fail their audit checks and normalize invading your privacy to an extreme degree like body scanners and pat downs. If water bottles are considered potentially explosive then why dump them on a bin next to a line of people where they can go off? This is low grade security theater that inconveniences passengers at best.

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 117 points 3 months ago

It's security theater through and through.

Apart from the obvious failings of these checks, think about what kind of damage a single backpack of explosives can do to a packed airport during holiday season. You can literally put a ton of explosives on one of those trolleys, roll it into the waiting area and kill 200 people easily. No security whatsoever involved.

Reality is, most security measures are designed to keep the illusion of control. Nothing more. Penetration testers show again and again that you can easily circumvent practically all barriers or measures.

[-] Tamo240@programming.dev 22 points 3 months ago

The goal is not to stop the people in the queue being attacked, its to stop someone boarding a plane with the means to hijack it

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 58 points 3 months ago

They fail gloriously at at that too.

Whenever they get tested the red teams manage to smuggle in everything needed to hijiack a plane plus a kitchen sink.

The few times that terrorists tried to board planes, they made it through security and were caught by other passengers.

[-] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

That's what's changed. Before, a hijacking meant a free trip to south America or Cuba. Now it means you're likely to die if you don't stop the hijackers. A planeful of pissed off passengers determined to live are gonna stop a would-be hijacker.

[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago
[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago
[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

True, although those seemed like pretty seriously incompetent attempts

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Anger and bitterness degrade the brain.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 23 points 3 months ago

Yeah, and you don't need the TSA for that. Just do as they already do: lock the cockpit.

[-] w2tpmf@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Little known fact: many of the pilots behind those locked doors are armed as well.

The Flight Deck Officer program allows pilots to volunteer to become deputized Air Marshals. They receive training and are issued a badge and a gun.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Good guy with a gun, we're not mentally ill at all !

[-] w2tpmf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

So police officers are mentally ill? Interesting take.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Yes, they think they're the good guys.

[-] w2tpmf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Police officers are mentally ill? Interesting take.

Also, we're talking about pilots that you are already trusting with you're life and the lives of hundreds of people with you. If they were mentally ill they could just crash the plane and kill you.

These guys are genuinely invested in maintaining the safety of human lives.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

They should continue focusing on that instead of gun politics and their farcical contrived scenarios to have guns on a civil plane.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Well, conceivably those in the cockpit could be manipulated through other threats. Either threats to crash the plane, or threats to hurt the people in the back.

[-] w2tpmf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Part of their training includes risk assessment that teaches them to sacrifice individuals if it is in favor of maintaining control of the plane.

They flat out train them to shoot through a hostage someone is holding. That one person's life isn't worth sacrificing the lives of hundreds of others on board as well is casualties on the ground.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

Nah, you literally just ground the plane whenever someone does something that rises to that level. Any threat someone could bring on a plane that could take it down is easily found by a bomb dog.

[-] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 months ago

They had to do something about the plague of people hijacking planes with bottles of water.

[-] Tamo240@programming.dev 9 points 3 months ago

IIRC water happens to appear similarly to a lot of explosives on the metric they use for what the composition of items in the scanner is.

Improvements are being made though so soon we may be allowed to take water through unrestricted:

Why Airport Security Suddenly Got Better (13:01) https://youtu.be/nyG8XAmtYeQ?si=RTjA8GRuZaMIJs9d

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

I’ll drown him! I swear to god I’ll drown him!

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Ah yes, it's okay if we die, just don't take the corporate infrastructure with you when you go...

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