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[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 383 points 4 months ago

The TSA is something that shouldn't exist in its current form. They very often fail their audit checks and normalize invading your privacy to an extreme degree like body scanners and pat downs. If water bottles are considered potentially explosive then why dump them on a bin next to a line of people where they can go off? This is low grade security theater that inconveniences passengers at best.

[-] leisesprecher@feddit.org 117 points 4 months ago

It's security theater through and through.

Apart from the obvious failings of these checks, think about what kind of damage a single backpack of explosives can do to a packed airport during holiday season. You can literally put a ton of explosives on one of those trolleys, roll it into the waiting area and kill 200 people easily. No security whatsoever involved.

Reality is, most security measures are designed to keep the illusion of control. Nothing more. Penetration testers show again and again that you can easily circumvent practically all barriers or measures.

[-] Tamo240@programming.dev 22 points 4 months ago

The goal is not to stop the people in the queue being attacked, its to stop someone boarding a plane with the means to hijack it

[-] nednobbins@lemm.ee 58 points 4 months ago

They fail gloriously at at that too.

Whenever they get tested the red teams manage to smuggle in everything needed to hijiack a plane plus a kitchen sink.

The few times that terrorists tried to board planes, they made it through security and were caught by other passengers.

[-] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

That's what's changed. Before, a hijacking meant a free trip to south America or Cuba. Now it means you're likely to die if you don't stop the hijackers. A planeful of pissed off passengers determined to live are gonna stop a would-be hijacker.

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[-] Liz@midwest.social 23 points 4 months ago

Yeah, and you don't need the TSA for that. Just do as they already do: lock the cockpit.

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[-] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 months ago

They had to do something about the plague of people hijacking planes with bottles of water.

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[-] psivchaz@reddthat.com 99 points 4 months ago

It's basically the only type of jobs program that both sides of our broken government can agree on: petty nonsense that looks like it might do something useful, but really doesn't, and only inconveniences the poors.

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[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 4 months ago

The main reason that rule still exists is to sell overpriced water. Otherwise they could just ask you to drink some of it to prove it's water.

[-] cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

you are allowed to take empty bottles with you, just saying

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 4 months ago

Some airports have no place to refill and have only hot water in the toilet sinks. It's inhumane.

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[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This happened to me after a lunch break going back into the court room for jury duty. Didn't think about my soda until I got to the checkpoint, used to the TSA's mentality so figured the rest of it was forfeit. She just tells me to take a drink to show it's valid. Respect for people doing their job correctly, and using common sense.

[-] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 months ago

According to the story I heard as to the origin of the "no liquids over X amount" rule, years ago there was a terrorist that tried to smuggle hydrogen peroxide and acetone - which can be used to rather easily synthesize triacetone triperoxide (TATP, a highly sensitive explosive) - onto a plane in plastic toiletry bottles. They got caught and foiled somehow, and then the TSA started restricting liquids on planes. This was in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, if I recall correctly.

And I happen to know, from a reliable source, of someone who accidentally made TATP in a rotary evaporator in an academic lab. So it seems plausible.

Not that the rule is actually effective prevention against similar attacks, nor that the TSA even knows what the reason is behind what they do at this point, haha. I just thought it was an interesting story.

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[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

It's because all the shops inside want you to buy their shit.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 4 months ago

The main reason why it exists is to provide jobs. The number of people who work at the TSA at every airport in every state...no representative wants to cut those jobs.

[-] AltheaHunter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 4 months ago

I fucking hate that this is a thing. "We can't stop doing this useless and/or detrimental thing, look at all the work it makes for other people to do!!!" Absolutely bonkers that it's just a standard political argument.

[-] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 months ago

Agreed. I’d rather they be paid that wage NOT to bother me.

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[-] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 24 points 4 months ago

I mean if a state removed the TSA and spent the money on something else, surely they could use the money to create as many jobs as they removed but in an actual useful field.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 18 points 4 months ago

Could we pay them to dig a ditch and fill it back in again? It'd be just as useful.

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[-] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 135 points 4 months ago
[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 180 points 4 months ago

Big caveat

The final decision rests with the TSA officer on whether an item is allowed through the checkpoint.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 134 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ah yes, the "rules only apply when I say they do" rule. Much legitimate.

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[-] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 23 points 4 months ago

See, flying isn't for people who plan. It's for people who roll 20s and not 1s. You know, lucky people. That's the message here.

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[-] Mercuri@lemmy.world 127 points 4 months ago

It's actually stated on the TSA website that frozen liquids are permitted. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/ice

[-] stalfoss@lemm.ee 75 points 4 months ago

Notice the footnote on every TSA webpage that their officers can always change the rules on the spot if they feel like it. So it’s always a gamble.

[-] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 15 points 4 months ago

This is what gets me the most. It's totally arbitrary, every time it's a chance for new rules. What you brought one way maybe a problem on your way home.

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[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 123 points 4 months ago

The longer they discuss the less it is allowed.

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 30 points 4 months ago

Yup, TSA is on the same level as McDonald's. You're arguing with a dipshit who hates you.

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[-] Zwiebel@feddit.org 95 points 4 months ago

Do you think they get mad if I bring plasma

[-] BlackLaZoR@kbin.run 29 points 4 months ago

As long as it's being held in magnetic confinement!

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 14 points 4 months ago

They tend not to care so much about "how safely the hazardous material is stored"

Just ask anyone who's tried to smuggle on 5lbs of mercury...

Nah, that's because five pounds would be about 6 fluid ounces of mercury and you're only allowed 3 ounces of a fluid.

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[-] scutiger@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm full of plasma, but they never stopped me from flying.

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 92 points 4 months ago
[-] Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago

Technically it's the only kind of correct. Technically.

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[-] StThicket@reddthat.com 76 points 4 months ago

I've actually done this successfully. TSA agent knocked on it, and said no problem.

If i somehow would be stopped, I'd love to argue what is liquid or not, and what could be liquid if it's just hot enough.

[-] kjaeselrek@lemmy.ml 35 points 4 months ago

Getting denied at security because you’re trying to bring steel beams

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[-] chakan2@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago

That's odd...I've had TSA agents recommend this to get liquids through security.

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[-] ma11ie@lemmy.one 28 points 4 months ago
[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

For the lazy:

Ice

Carry On Bags: Yes (Special Instructions)

Checked Bags: Yes

Frozen liquid items are allowed through the checkpoint as long as they are frozen solid when presented for screening. If frozen liquid items are partially melted, slushy, or have any liquid at the bottom of the container, they must meet 3-1-1 liquids requirements

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[-] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

you could freeze H2O2 and blow up something later.

[-] TheBloodFarts@lemmy.ca 26 points 4 months ago

The main issue you'll have with the TSA in this case is that you're using logic

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

I brought frozen fish with ice packs through TSA. The TSA guy was a fisherman and wanted to talk about fishing.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Recently, I'm flying quite a lot, so I must try it, just to see if it works.

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

On my last trip I had a full water bottle with me and the lady said I had to throw it away, so I looked her dead in the eye while I chugged the entire bottle and stuffed the bottle in my bag.

Fuckin tell me I can't bring the water through again.

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[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

TSA vs Karen, quite a match

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