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[–] Brownie@lemmy.zip 16 points 12 hours ago (9 children)

I'm curious what positive applications you see in it? Genuine question, not trying to fight, just looking for other views

[–] Balinares@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago

There are a few, yeah. Whether it's enough to balance the massive weight of all the externalities, I have no idea. Currently leaning no. Could be wrong about that, who knows.

Basically: we now have the tech to make sense of language and language semantics, and use language as a universal interface. You and I are fine clicking buttons in programs, sure, but you and I are also having this discussion on an obscure federated social media platform the general public has never heard about. Interacting usefully with a computer system through language alone becomes possible in a way that it wasn't before. I'm not quite sure how valuable this is going to be in the long term, but then, I'm also a tech nerd who is used to clicking buttons and writing command lines.

We can now process large amounts of text fast for data extraction, which is a deceptively hard problem. You can do things like importing itemized PDF bills into an accounting database with no prior knowledge of how those bills are formatted. This extends beyond text. We can now generate a textual description of arbitrary images and videos. That too is a very hard problem. It can now be done on a regular desktop computer using a small local LLM.

It's an even harder problem when the text is computer code and the data being looked for is the cause for a specific behavior. The process of debugging an obscure issue can now be massively accelerated.

Given a reliable corpus of knowledge, that corpus can be queried more or less instantly using natural language. That's also something we could not do before.

LLMs suck at designing software but can produce code to spec faster than a human, which means they can be used to increase throughput where a skilled human does the design and is limited only by the speed of implementing it. Given the prevalence of software in the economy, the impact of that alone will be significant.

All of these come with major drawbacks and sometimes intractable problems. Language is squishy and ambiguous. LLMs don't THINK, they extrude statistically probably continuation tokens. AI content sucks, be it writing, images, videos, because the probable tokens there are the median of the training corpus, and median is a cognate of mediocre for a reason. I hope AI slop goes away. But I don't think it will. The ability to generate custom porn on demand alone will likely sustain a market.

And I didn't think we can go back to the world of before. But personally, I wish we could. Because the externalities here are, and remain, enormous.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I've heard the underlying maths is good for doing statistical analysis of particle physics. It won't "find" new physics, but it will point to models that are at least mathematically sound.

Of course, researchers will still have to test those models with real world experiments. Science is mostly establishing how the universe doesn't work.

[–] BozeKnoflook@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Programmer here. They can be a useful tool if used correctly. They are great at writing unit tests, useful for upgrading older code, and really useful as a semi-intelligent autocomplete.

If used incorrectly they will generate a giant mess that works briefly but becomes impossible to expand on, full of duplicated sections that makes maintenance super difficult, and have weird logical flaws.

I prefer using agents running on my own desktop rather than paying somebody for it.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

The one off scripts ive had it write to do something for me usually work great, but when I glance at the code its horrific. But its a one off, it does its job then goes bye bye.

Like I had to scrape a website the other day and only needed it to work for a few days. Claude did it.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Nice. I appreciate actual programmers sharing their actual use cases for AI.

I want to add my use case here because it mirrors yours, and should get a few laughs.

I've had the same experience writing a quick one use messy script with AI - but it contained a very subtle bug that pretty much wiped out the data I was trying to convert.

I did have a backup, but it wasn't particularly recent, so I only lost a couple of days of work.

I lost my appetite for AI help on full quick scripts, but I still use AI for a line of code here and there.

I feel like I should use AI more to generate unit tests, the risk/reward is probably better.

[–] BozeKnoflook@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Honestly, that's fine. I've been coding for 30 years now, not one bit of it from 20 years ago still remains.

Everything is ephemeral in the end, we are all only but dust on the wind.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago

Yeah so far all the "advantages" have been "cutting corners inaccurately."

[–] redwattlebird@thelemmy.club 4 points 10 hours ago

I think it's good for pattern matching. However, I think LLMs are mostly useless because it lacks human context. It's a chat bot at best.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I'm generally an AI skeptic/hater, but finding new medicines, detecting cancer earlier on, IT security auditing, discovering new battery chemistries......for things that are predicated on pattern recognition, are audited by a human, and basically regurgitating a blended up version of previously established data is what you're after, it's really good at those things and I'd argue there is a real use case for generative AI in these places.

As a means of mental health therapy, customer support, computer programming tasks that aren't reviewed, or basically any task that is NOT audited by subject matter experts, it fucking sucks and, unfortunately, it's being broadly applied in these roles that it sucks at. Per usual, it's because those things make money and the things that actually could help humanity don't always.

The capitalists are driving AI adoption. They want to use it to make the unwashed masses lazy and stupid by being dependent on their product and make trained, skilled employment a thing of the past. That is the problem with generative AI.

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I’ve been impressed by the benefit derived from Carbon AI. It’s is a deep learning model trained on massive data sets and can identify 150mil weeds near instantly. When paired with a laser delivery system and pulled over a field, the weeds are id’d and precision killed with the laser, which spares the crop. This has great potential for reducing the use of commercial herbicides, which also means we can get away from the “RoundUp Ready” gmo seeds engineered to survive devastating chemical bombardment.

Currently the delivery system is tractor pulled, but I’d be interested to see if it could be made into a compact, low impact form. It could be a tool for wildland restoration crews to use to cleanly eradicate invasives while another crew seeds natives in their wake. Obviously not something that could be used in every terrain, but there’s plenty where you could. Even a consumer grade model could be a boon, instead of people dousing their property with weed killers that drain into local water supplies and nearby rivers, drive your mower-sized laser blaster across your property and zap your weeds.

It’s one of the few applications of AI where I’ve felt like its ability to recognize, process, and respond quickly is worth the application it’s used for. But also, it’s not generative. It’s trained on data collected and input by humans, it just reduces the effort (and side effects) of mass agriculture. Doesn’t eliminate ag workers, it makes an already difficult job easier and cleaner.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

See that sounds like a legitimate and actually net positive implementation of Neural Networks and Generative AI. Not replacing traditional algorithms for search result data on Billy Bob's question of "Why do farts smell?".

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. It's best for problems that both:

  1. Have a vast possible space of potential solutions.
  2. Can be quickly checked for accuracy.
  3. Has more than one right answer.

You want to come up with a new chemical to do a thing? Have an AI run through billions of permutations to find the one compound that can do that thing best. Then test that compound. See if it's more effective than current solutions. Maybe it missed a better compound somewhere in the universe of potential compounds. But if what it found is still better than the current solution, that's still progress and has real value to the world.

For an example, think of an AI built to search for high temperature superconductors. There's an endless variety of possible compounds that might lead to this. But the time to test any individual compound isn't that large. At a basic level you just need to synthesize it, confirm it's a superconductor, and measure its critical temperature. Simple stuff (apart from maybe the synthesis.) Testing one compound for superconductivity isn't hard. Trying to screen through trillions of candidate high temperature superconductors is. So you let the AI churn through the vast universe of possible options. Have it spit out the top ten candidates. Then you go to the lab, synthesize them, and try them out. If it hallucinates and is wrong? Very little cost beyond some lab time. If it misses one? Oh well, maybe we'll find it later. Say the current record for a superconductor is 151K. The AI predicts a compound with a transition temperature of 155K. Maybe it misses one that could do it at 157K. But oh well, a better high temperature superconductor is still a better high temperature superconductor!

This is where AI shines. When incremental progress is acceptable and when the solution is easily verifiable.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I suspect these useful applications will get a new name, when this is said and done. Statistical Compute Models. Something like that. "AI" is a marketer's misdirection, not an actual description.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I propose we name them something silly-sounding, in the spirit of Walkie-Talkie.

[–] its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

In most of your examples it's revealed after the fact that AI didn't discover anything it just defeated the test.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

How does discovering a new battery chemistry or showing reproducible cancer detection "beating the test"? Look....I fucking hate most implementations of GenAI and generally can't stand it, but those specific use cases seem very much valid, even if the other 97% of applications are absolute shit.

[–] Brownie@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I do get your sentiment, and can see it applicable in these cases.. But I also think we should put a lot more focus on creating models specialised for these important tasks, instead of using these super large and heavy genAI models.

As it currently stands, the research seems to be largely focusing on just pushing the expensive limits of these models, and pushing the olligarch agendas, which is a bit unfortunate, since this field has potential to be super beneficial.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Agreed. My comment was more GenAI in general. Not utilizing a general purpose model shoehorned into a specific task.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

For me, AI is great at comparing large data sets. It can detect the most miniscule change in the night sky and is great for measuring luminosity changes over time.

Other than that, it's kinda useless for me. Maybe I'll play with it and change out actors in famous scenes for cats like those kungfu clips of late.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

All the GenAI art, video and even vibe coded websites can dramatically speed up prototyping and seeing how something might look or work.

Yes that costs jobs even if its only at the early stage and is done by humans after, but its real value and can overall speed up development on ideas.

Like I was building a new feature in my software, I knew the constraints, what I wanted it to do, and I asked it to start making some visual mockups of what might work. There's no way I could manually generate that many ideas and then fine tune them before finally coding it myself for real faster. Like it or not, that is positive.

[–] wizblizz@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, fuck AI art, there's no ethical use of wholesale theft these shitbags scraped and regurgitate without consent.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Ethics and useful are two different things. Im curious though, have you ever pirated a song? A TV show? A movie? A game? Bypassed ads on a website with an ad blocker? Bypassed a paywall? Shared account credentials on something like Netflix?

The cats out of the bag at this point though.

[–] slaughterhouse@lemmy.zip -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

LLMs are really good at pattern recognition, making them an excellent tool for scientists and medical researchers.

[–] QueenMidna@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 hours ago

They can't infer shit. They don't recognize numbers as actual numbers, just tokens. They can only repeat what they've seen before.

Combine that with the mathematical certainty of hallucinations and that makes a dangerous combination for scientists and medical researchers.