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[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The difference between dark fiber and datacenters is that datacenters need a company with enough revenue to maintain the structure. Most data centers are built like big box stores: super cheaply and not meant to last more than a couple of decades while in active use for their intended purpose. You know that Shopko or K-mart that shut down 5 years ago and is still empty? You see how quickly that building has started falling apart with no company large enough to own the space and maintain it? That's what empty datacenters are going to be like.

Fiber on the other hand is just strands of glass with some material covering it to prevent light leaks and provide strength. As long as that glass is unbroken there is zero maintenance required whether the fiber is in use or not. Fiber also has theoretically infinite bandwidth (they're currently working towards releasing 1.2 terrabit transceivers) and usually when fiber is run they run a big fat cable with dozens of not hundreds of strands of fiber so there's dozens if not hundreds of times the amount of bandwidth of a single pair of strands (and lots of spare strands should a few be broken). Sure old fiber won't be made with the tight tolerances that we have for fiber made today, so you might only get a few gigabit out of a single pair, but that's still a ton of basically free bandwidth just sitting there as dark fiber that you can use to get off the ground then start running your own once you have some cashflow

[–] epyon22@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That and most of the cost of the data centers revolve around the servers and support for those servers ie. Cooling, power racks ect. I've heard it can be cheaper to build a whole new building than bringing one, even currently operating one, up to new specs.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is also extremely true!

Those AI servers are probably a discounted cost of around 3-5k per U (I'm probably low in this estimate but I have a really hard time believing they're actually paying $20k+ per GPU), probably about 40U per rack is actually loaded with servers, so if we round the footprint of a server rack to 4 square feet (because I don't feel like actually calculating it out right now) that's about $30,000-50,000 per square foot.

I have a hard time imagining any kind of structure costing anywhere near 1 order of magnitude less than the cost per square foot of the servers

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Those AI servers are probably a discounted cost of around 3-5k per U (I'm probably low in this estimate but I have a really hard time believing they're actually paying $20k+ per GPU),

They're arranging 72 Blackwell GPUs into each server rack, at around a price of $3 million, in a cabinet that is 2236mm x 600 mm x 1068mm. That's approximately a 7 square foot footprint, so about $430,000 per square foot of server. There's obviously a need for spacing between servers, but you're basically underestimating by an order of magnitude.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 3 days ago

Yeah my assumption is that the actual price paid for compute is a lot lower than what Nvidia puts in their press releases. It's like Dell telling you your bog stand R760 will cost $30k on their website then you talk a rep and they mark it down to 5-10k in the first round of negotiations and if you buy enough of them they'll knock a couple thousand more off the price.

I did however forget to factor in the cost of the server, but they're so often just Supermicro white boxes in these datacenters and I'm just throwing out vague numbers based purely on my knowledge of roughly what things generally cost normally

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I feel connectivity and efficiency was the aim initially rather than speed