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In a study published on Monday by the peer-reviewed journal Patterns, data scientist Alex de Vries-Gao estimated the carbon emissions from electricity used by AI at between 33 million and 80 million metric tons.

That higher figure would put it above last year's totals for Chile (78m tons), Czechia (78m tons), Romania (71m tons), and New York City (48m tons, including both CO2 and other greenhouse gases).

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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Silver lining, the Ai companies stress because they will run out of freshwater and scramble to find a way to manufacture clean water which then benefits the people

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 43 points 5 days ago (2 children)

No they fucking wont.

Did cigarette companies ever sponsor health initiatives to keep their customers from dying off? Do oil companies do anything to improve the environment? Do large companies polluting waterways do anything to clean them?

What a ridiculous idea.

[–] VeganBtw@piefed.social 9 points 5 days ago

Calm down, buddy. Exxon's website tells us that they are trying to "achieve [their] 2030 emission-intensity reduction plans." You see, they are so keen to help the planet, they made up their own plans and will try to respect them. If that's not improving our environment, you're lost my dude 😎.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The companies need clean water, thus they need to make clean water if they run out.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They don't need DRINKABLE water.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Has to be free of contaminants else it can mess up the components. Typically it would be distilled water which would meet that criteria, no?

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I absolutely would not count on these companies to innovate. They can’t even make a functioning product and they’re supposed to find a new way to make potable water?

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I mean, we can and do mass produce potable water from seawater right now, but there is an ugly problem to the distillery method: seawater has a lot of unwanted stuff in it, and if we just dump it back in the ocean, it raises the toxicity locally for that area.

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 6 points 5 days ago

Data centers can also use closed-loop cooling, air cooling, immersion cooling, etc; they're just using potable water because it is the cheapest (for them). But even if they didn't innovate at all, the high end of that estimate is like 0.02% of yearly global freshwater withdrawals. As you say, the devastating part is that location constraints determine who bears the externalities.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Innovation doesn't actually make money. Scams do.

Why capitalism fails in late stages.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why the fuck do they need to use fresh water in the first place? Isn't it for cooling? Why do they need potable water for that?

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My easy guess from working in piping: corrosion of piping/fittings/sensors.

Same reason you cant run hose water in your car radiator. You need to use distilled mixed with coolant.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sewer pipes wouldn't work. Cooling systems use thin veins to exchange heat. Making the veins larger would make it less effective and require epic amounts of water that is wasted to do the job. The blockage and buildup problems will still remain.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 days ago

I wasn't suggesting they use sewer pipes, I'm just saying that if sewer pipes can exist, then I'm pretty sure they can make pipes that would work for this.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What are you getting at here? You lost me.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

I think they are saying use more robust piping