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This only makes sense when I realize that to conservatives, it's an identity. They think it's an identity that Taylor Swift should have because she's (presumably) white, popular, rich, good looking, Midwestern, Christian, etc.

To them politics is not about ideas, or policies, or problem solving, or good governance. It's all about identity.

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[-] Okokimup@lemmy.world 129 points 6 months ago

The real identity politics were the Conservatives we met along the way.

[-] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 100 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I've heard this same thing said to me by Hitler humpers trying to recruit me based on what I look like, just because we're blonde haired and blue eyed with fair skin does not make us want to be a part of their hateful bullshit.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 57 points 6 months ago

Anti racists come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. That’s kinda the fucking point actually.

[-] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Abso-fucking-lutely.

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

"But you would be part of the in-group! So why don't you help us make the out-groups life miserable?!"

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Damn right.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago

Well yeah, to them it’s a tribe instead of a moral failing

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

Right, and so many don't seem to understand the difference between principles and affiliation. It's why when they respond to allegations about Trump being associated with Epstein by saying Bill Clinton was too, they're dumbfounded when liberals say, okay, he should be investigated too.

Generally, liberals are more likely to relate to things based on principles (e.g., people shouldn't have sex with children, so we should investigate any credible allegations regardless of who they're about). Conservatives are more likely to relate to things based on affiliation (e.g., I reject the allegations about that guy having sex with children because he's on my team, but the guy on your team should be investigated). That's why Al Franken isn't in office anymore, even though he was more guilty of an appearance of wrongdoing more than actual wrongdoing.

[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 44 points 6 months ago

I don't know much about Taylor Swift, but I assume she is simply too smart to be conservative.

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[-] nottelling@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

The problem is that plenty of smart people are conservative. Because conservatism is fundamentally a grift, and the smart ones use the dumb ones to get richer.

Swift just has enough empathy to realize she's already rich.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Yep. Important to separate social and fiscal conservatives. Those Gays for Trump and Blacks for Trump types are fiscal conservatives who hope that the social conservatives will consider them "one of the good ones".

[-] scottywh@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

That's true.

The smart ones are just evil.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 31 points 6 months ago

It does seem true that many hyper wealthy people trend fiscally conservative, surprise surprise, to guard their own wealth.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well-off entertainers seem to swing a little more left. Not sure what the ratio is compared to other wealthy people, there absolutely are plenty of conservative entertainers. I think quite a few of them spent time being poor while trying to win the fame lottery, and of course SAG and other unions are big in the entertainment world.

Anyway, not a huge surprise Swift is left leaning. The ones that are a bigger shocker are people like Garth Brooks or especially some of Dale Earnhardt’s progressive views.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 10 points 6 months ago

Entertainment requires a lot of traveling and contact with lots of different people. That lends itself to leftwing viewpoints and thinking.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 30 points 6 months ago

American “conservatives” are actually radicals by this point.

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 months ago

You think any given political bloc isn't mostly made up of people that think it's an identity? If so, you're lucky to not have run into it.

Frankly, most people stick with whatever they are raised with, and that's that. There's just as many blind, inherited democrats as republicans in the US. Most people don't even understand the policy platform of their party, much less bother to challenge the correctness of it for themselves.

[-] phillaholic@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

There aren’t two party platforms anymore. There’s one political party, and one cult. The cult doesn’t have policy. They make decisions to make the richest in the country richer, and keep their voting block scared over fabricated issues or issues they don’t care that much about. They had 12 years since 2002 to build a border wall, why is it always an issue? Is it because it’s just a grift to pay out construction companies? Maybe. They can’t win democratically so they go after votings rights and make sure the wrong people can’t vote. They exploit the very undemocratic nature of the electoral college and senate to hold a majority of the power with a minority of the overall popular vote. And when that all fails they don’t abandon their bastardized conservatism, they abandon democracy.

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

LOL the idea that you should automatically be conservative because of wealth. They assume that everyone is just as selfish and unempathetic as they are.

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[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

That's putting it mildly.

[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

It's all they have, honestly. Poor pathetic things.

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

Ms private jet is performatively liberal at best.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah, but that seems in line with the Democratic party leadership.

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[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago

You have an internet connection, so you're performatively liberal at best too. You don't even think about people that can't afford an internet connection, how can you be on the left?

In fact everyone on the internet is performative. That's what everything on here is, someone's performance. You could be Jeff Bezos for all anyone knows.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I know I mentioned this a few days ago but some anonymous person on reddit said something like this a few years ago:

They [implying white supremacists] are just mad she doesn’t want to be their blue eyed goddess spokesperson

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago

Honestly, I understand what he means. She's from a stupid rich family and grew up surrounded by country music influences. Statistically speaking, she probably would be a conservative.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 5 points 6 months ago

The higher the population moves up Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, the fewer conservatives in the population.

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