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[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 6 months ago

I am morbidly amused by the title. Because it is phrased to imply that a "Russian invasion" is an inevitable reality and only a matter of time

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 6 months ago

At this point it's looking more and more like they'd actually win if they tried. NATO is just that incompetent.

Not that they would invade, they'd gain nothing from it and have no reason to do it.

[-] SugandeseDelegation@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 6 months ago

Ask any shitlib what Russia would gain from invading NATO countries, or what China would gain from invading Taiwan. I bet they'll struggle to explain it any other way than something to the effect of "Putin/Xi is evil"

I seriously want to hear what arguments they have which don't boil down to "brainwashed country follows evil dictator into senseless war"

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 6 months ago

That is their only argument. Putin wants "world domination" because he's evil. Of course, if you point out he has never ever mentioned this to anyone, either in private or in public, and has frequently tried diplomacy with the west, the libs just insist he's "lying" or "trying to trick people"

It's amazing how libs manage to be magical mind readers of a person they've never met on the other side of the world.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

From what i see the one argument often repeated is straight up taken from polandball memes, that is landgrab for no other reason. Land is good. Some of them even call it "clay".

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 6 months ago

Russia literally being the largest country in the world with a low population density is sacrificing people to do a land grab. Liberal logic at its finest.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 6 months ago

Lol exactly my thoughts.

[-] SugandeseDelegation@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I would've said their brains got molten by too much Hearts of Iron 4, but this land grab argument is way more prevalent than that game

[-] miz@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 6 months ago

“brainwashed country follows evil dictator into senseless war”

no-oil

[-] SugandeseDelegation@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The irony is so glaring, it drives me insane when I hear people argue like this and others just agree with not a flicker of doubt or self-reflection

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 months ago

That's a discomforting thought, because I suspect certain more jingoistic elements in Russian ruling class and government might start thinking that. Problem is - it won't be them dying, it'll be proletariat. And you know. Nukes.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

im no linguist, and the difference in meaning is a small one but from context i think the word you might want is discomfiting. Discomforting is more of a physical feeling generally.

Like i said you're not wrong, but do have a look at the difference if you're curious and a word nerd like i am.

discomfit vs discomfort

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 6 months ago

Thanks! I'm ESL, so meaning sometimes gets lost in translation. Happy to learn new term, always

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

English is a fuck. I had to explain to my esl mum the difference between affect and effect

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

I'm a native speaker and I use "impact" because I'm too dumb to remember.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

I am confused about the context of this, but I'm going to try to use "thump" whenever anyone would use any other impacty word. Thump Wrench. Thump Font. Count out the seconds from thump.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 6 months ago

How else will they justify mass austerity needed to ramp up military budgets. People running NATO are absolutely ecstatic right now because they finally have their favorite bogey man back. After USSR fell, they had to keep finding ways to justify their existence. Now they have big bad Russia that's making Europeans tremble in fear. They can justify any amount of cutting of social safety net to fund their military programs at this point.

[-] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

NATO is a means for resource extraction to the west not the end in itself. I keep seeing people mention NATO in the context of weapons sales and MIC only but it's much more than that. That's why they are so devoted to it. Western domination means Folgers makes more money on coffee than do the actual coffee growers, dole makes more money on bananas than the actual farmers, so on so forth. The military thing is just one small piece.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 6 months ago

Yeah absolutely, it is a pillar of neocolonial power. When countries refuse to subjugate themselves to the west, then NATO military is used as a beating stick to make them comply.

[-] CicadaSpectre@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 6 months ago

In a way, it is inevitable. NATO tries to agitate Russia into invading its neighbors to justify military spending and keep their citizens under the fascist illusion of an evil Russian threat.

If anything, when they act like a Russian invasion of Estonia is inevitable, what they're really doing is admitting that's a future confrontation they want to force, like Georgia and Ukraine.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That fucking headline dude, they looked at years of Ukraine getting demographically dismantled shell by shell and decided "I would like to wishcast some of that for myself please". Like I know this is just cynical tension-raising to justify massive influxes of cash to various Euro-American MICs, but it's so fucking gross to see all these countries turn to the populaces they've helped immiserate on behalf of porky-happy and go "oooooo! Scary Russia is coming for you ooooooo!" No Russian ever priced me out of heat and healthcare.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 6 months ago

Right, it's just surreal how western media is trying to sell western public on a war with Russia.

[-] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

I bet 90% of Russia's 40,000 nukes don't even work!

[-] huf@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

russia's nukes are barely the size of italy!

[-] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No Russian ever priced me out of heat and healthcare.

Yeah but Russians didn't give their oil for zero dollars a barrel to Exxon or Total or Shell either. It's not just the MIC, all of the west benefited from extraction and exploitation and now it's seeing some barriers. Europe is gonna have to develop a new economic model or continue this path of destruction. It's just how they set themselves up since the days of Columbus.

TLDR: it's not just the MIC, they will sacrifice millions of proxies for a 1% chance at getting a hold of resources. That's imperialism.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 6 months ago

Btw current temperatures are pretty mild for a february in Estonia, between -5 to +6 in night and day respectively. And NATO junk breaks from that?

[-] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Remember their flagship fighter is a plane that cannot fly

[-] D61@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

"If its on the ground, it can't be shot down!"

[-] D61@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

From my time in heavy mechanized units in the USArmy, its pretty common for about 75% of all a unit's equipment is barely maintained well enough to do a short field exercise just to make the "numbers".

Actually drive the things rough and all that shoddy maintenance becomes painfully apparent.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Everything I hear about the US military points to some sort of institutional rot. All that funding must be going straight to MICs.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

I would add to the MIC grift the kayfabe about US military might.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

I am a little envious, it's going to be 43 degrees C today and I don't have air con

[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 6 months ago
[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 6 months ago

No wonder NATO is so horny to accelerate climate change. No winters = no problems

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

Europeans, famously adapted to extremely hot environments.

[-] RedCat@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Glad to hear it 👍

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

anakin-padme-1 Is NATO ready for a Russian invasion?

anakin-padme-2 You mean defending against a Russian invasion of NATO?

anakin-padme-3

anakin-padme-4 You... You mean defending against a Russian invasion of NATO, right?

[-] NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

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