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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by kristina@hexbear.net to c/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net

Tennessee has recently passed a bill, effective July 1st 2024, declaring it a class-C felony to "recruit, harbor, or transport an unemancipated minor within this state" for transgender healthcare procedures, carrying a sentence of 3-15 years in prison. This applies over state lines and states that do not have anti-extradition laws relating to trans rights can extradite you to Tennessee.

Notably: the bill is vague. This means: telling stories of your own transition, describing your healthcare experiences to an open group chat, describing your trans experiences on a public website, creating trans health guides online, describing how you have gotten DIY HRT, describing anything to do with trans healthcare, even as a cis person, can result in a class-C felony conviction.

Given that being arrested in any capacity for transgender people can be an incredibly dangerous experience (CW: SV), I strongly suggest you begin caring about opsec, stop referring to where you live, use VPNs, stop using apps like Discord, and stop using social media sites that track your IP or user agent fingerprint while unprotected. Remember that for a bill like this to be challenged in court, you have to be arrested first.

Will discuss creating / linking to a transgender matrix chat so that we can help people to move off of things like discord.

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[-] Babs@hexbear.net 78 points 4 months ago

My current strategy of "stick to the safe states" is starting to feel shakier and shakier.

I'm fuckin scared yo.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's only a matter before a red state tries to extradite a trans person from safe state, which will comply in the spirit of bipartisanship. Or maybe they won't, in which case it will go to the Supreme Court which will rule just the way you expect them to. Fuck this depraved country

[-] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Supreme Court might be idiotic assholes but I really doubt they will rule in favor of forced extradition to a different state. This is something pushover blue states might do on their own, but for the federal government to say that state laws apply nationwide would open a can of worms.

Edit: I was wrong. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/article-4/section-2/clause-2/overview-of-the-extradition-interstate-rendition-clause

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 64 points 4 months ago

i don't even have words for this one other than yea. shit's getting worse, the dems will refuse to do anything, and unless some serious left wing labor/political org can get formed real fast real quick then there's basically nothing we can do about it

God damn America, that's in the bible

[-] wild_dog@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago

To be fair, we need to be forming that serious leftist org asap for a billion other reasons but yes, I tried to get libs to care about trans rights beyond tokenizing us when I was in DSA and a lot of cis people still don't get it

[-] IMF_DOOM@hexbear.net 60 points 4 months ago

Maybe cross post this onto blahaj zone (even though some of the users are weird pissy freaks about hexbears posting there, it's probably important enough to get them aware of this and stuff)

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 54 points 4 months ago

Sooo... I could be prosecuted for being a mod?

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 49 points 4 months ago

probably, or just posting anywhere really

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Your content can be seen in Tennessee. Guilty!"

At this point they'll try to extradite international posters for existing while trans

[-] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 46 points 4 months ago

banana-duck-peeled we gotta be more secretive than ISIS online because transphobes are mad

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 43 points 4 months ago

I know this is serious, but I eagerly await Biden's response. He cares about trans rights, doesn't he?

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago

He hasn't said jack shit while trans and their allies are systemically incriminated across the country, hexs too busy comittng multiple genocides. He hears you. He sees you. He just Does Not Care.

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago

This applies over state lines and states that do not have anti-extradition laws relating to trans rights can extradite you to Tennessee.

Is there a place where I can check which states do/don't have said laws? or is that included in that first map you posted?

[-] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

my advice would be do not count on any state protecting you. Do your best to protect yourself and those around you first. Even in those states with good laws, there is no guarantee they will cover things like: actions committed in another state, actions taken as a third party (not doctor or patient) to facilitate trans care, actions facilitating DIY HRT (could probably be treated as drug trafficking), etc.

But yeah I think that first map more or less lines up with the anti-extradition/anti-subpoena type laws that are on the books.

[-] wild_dog@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

in addition: states with good laws are only that way as long as the Democrats, the party addicted to shooting off its own dick all the time, can remain in power. I live in MO. We were considered the bellwether state in terms of electoral politics but post-Obama, we are now one of the reddest states in the country. This can happen to any of y'all bc the Democrats are incompetent and evil.

[-] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago
[-] wild_dog@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

I wonder if that state democratic party is gutted like ours is. that's part of what drives me crazy about the election cycle, the libs keep yelling at me like we can flip the state blue with no party infrastructure and a centrist genocider at the top of the ballot. lol I'm writing myself in for governor

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago
[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you or anyone needs help setting these things up or creating guides please reach out. I’d be happy to help.

[-] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 4 months ago

Help would be very much appriciated, pls pm me!!!

[-] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago

Death to the United States of America.

amerikkka qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago

I wonder if the weather underground is nice...

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[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago

So, if I live in a non-explicitly-transphobic state, can I be extradited to Tennesee for say, posting advice about HRT online, even though I’ve never been to or directly interacted with anyone in Tennessee?

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago

Fugitive Trans Act of 2025

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If a minor from Tennessee reads it, it's possible if it's not on that map. I'm sure some psychoes might use their kids to try to mess with trans people in this way

Technically if you ever travel to one of the bad states you could also be extradited. Only 14 states have protection

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

What the fuck, isn’t that unconstitutional?

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 43 points 4 months ago

there's no point asking that question, the supreme court just does the mental gymnastics necessary to make something constitutional or not.

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Fascism doesn't care, and the supreme court is full of em.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

US Supreme Court ruled back in 2022 that migrants can be detained indefinitely

It don't matter

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[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

~~IANAL, if it's like recording laws (basing on swift v Kanye) then no, as long as you are not in TN a when you post it's not a crime~~

I didn't read the op well enough 🎵

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This law is based on abortion extradition laws

[-] Kolibri@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago
[-] NoamParenti@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago
[-] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

Anyone have a beginner's guide to matrix?

[-] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

As long as you don't want to run your own server or join a specific one (you probably don't), you just go to https://app.element.io/, or install element on your phone or computer, and click Create Account.

Once you're in, you can message directly with other people on any matrix server, join spaces (which work like discord's "servers", and join chat rooms (which are just one-off channels that don't belong to a space)

The only other thing you may or may not want to change is what app you use to access matrix. On desktop I like Nheko but I don't have any mobile recs besides Element (for context, Element is the chat app developed by the same people who created the matrix protocol and the matrix.org homeserver, so it's basically the default for everything, but other options are getting pretty mature, like Nheko). You aren't tied to just one though so feel free to hop around.

[-] Avoly@lemmy.today 14 points 4 months ago

It's just federated chat. You sign up and join a server and choose a mobile app if you need one same as with penny lemmy then use it like a chat app.

[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

If you find one lmk

[-] khizuo@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago
[-] iie@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

This will become a new form of swatting. A group like kiwi farms picks a target, collects their online statements, then sics the law on them.

[-] GunslingerSky@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

Guess the People’s Republic of Chattanooga isn't happening anytime soon sadness

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

Anyone know if matrix servers are still secure?

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

You can host a local instance afaik

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[-] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

Does this mean if I provide medical care to a trans person (dispense spironolactone, testosterone, etc) I could be prosecuted in Tennessee?

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

It sounds to me like it's if that trans person is a minor, and you don't have permission from their parents.

[-] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean I have no reason to need that information. Fucking fascists.

“Do your parents know you’re taking this?” Not my fucking business.

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[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

I hope someone sues this unconstiutional law for fucking millions.

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