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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/science_memes@mander.xyz

The university should be the place demonstrating socioecological change, serving as a site of experimentation and praxis (see Dunlap et al., 2023). This, however, could not be further from the truth. Beside advancing technologies of digital, political and military control (Chatterjee & Maira, 2014), not to mention genetic dissection and animal vivisection—or some degree of this (Pellow, 2014)—universities fail to enact real examples of socioecological of renewability and sustainability. How come universities are not overflowing with agroecology, permaculture and forest gardens on and inside universities? How come universities are not self-generating their own electricity needs through wind, solar and other lower-carbon infrastructures? We, unfortunately, are witnessing the opposite at university campuses around the world.

https://www.grassrootsjpe.org/view/resource.php?resource=26

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[-] Kallioapina@lemm.ee 136 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This is also a big reason why I'm few weeks from submitting my masters for inspection, and 90% of my references/sources are from Annas Archive / Zlib. Our uni library, in supposedly rich nordic country Finland, just cant afford all the licenses. Luckily all our professors and researchers are in on the "secret", but its just a fucking joke.

Most of the world economy is on the same fucking joke. Just leeches upon leeches upon leeches... And so few people giving anything usefull to the world. I fucking try, but god damn these useless money leeches in the middle try to make it hard as possible. Fuck. So fucking angry, but what can I do but try to minimize the damages I do on my personal part.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 64 points 7 months ago

Keep screaming. People are not informed on this.

[-] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 9 points 7 months ago

They are but until "apes together strong" takes peoples minds nothing will change. People feel powerless to do anything so companies just get away with it

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

That's why we can't shut up. :)

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 21 points 7 months ago

Good luck on this final push; take care of yourself where possible and stay angry at the things that deserve it

[-] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago
[-] Kallioapina@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

Core has also been quite helpfull in open access science.

https://core.ac.uk/

[-] daddy32@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Such a young person and already so realistic and cynical?

[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 63 points 7 months ago

If the research was conducted with public money, it should be freely accessible by the public, change my mind...

[-] MBM@lemmings.world 32 points 7 months ago
[-] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 10 points 7 months ago

Very cool. I know someone, in a fairly small but funded field, who had this sort of requirement


Elsevier had the relevant publication, but they couldn't publish there due to access policies (or it was going to be painful to do so at any rate). So they started their own publication!

I forgot the specifics, but it essentially uses arXiv as the backend, and there's a (commercially available?) frontend that lets editors and reviewers do their thing. "Publishing" in this journal is essentially just endorsing an arXiv paper; so it's open access by design.

Really cool stuff. Their field is small enough that iirc they could kinda get critical mass to give Elsevier the finger and adopt this new platform. Warm fuzzy feeling thinking about it!

[-] daddy32@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

You forgot the part where this resulted in giving even more money to the publishers for the "Open access". World is fucked.

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago
[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 22 points 7 months ago

Buncha dix.

[-] gi1242@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

so back in the day we needed publishers for distribution. now with the Internet, distribution is easy. but prices only went up

associate editors and referees are unpaid volunteers. typesetting is also mainly done by the authors. but prices are high because the publisher wants to profit.

there are quite a few high quality journals that are fairly priced and published by non profit publishers. these are the only journals authors should publish in ....

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 7 months ago

science is meant to be pirated.

Fuck publishers.

[-] Shameless@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Given the times I've seen news articles and screenshots of poorly vetted published journals. Surely a free open source publisher managed by the academic community can't be much worse? I also don't know shit about the requirements to actually publish so this is probably a naive take

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

How I sleep after downloading my research papers illegally

[-] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

is the meme that you're sleeping well, you're sleeping in prison or that you're sleeping well in prison?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago

also a lot of research work in brazil disallows you to get a second job. you are forced to live with the little money they pay you.

its almost like they don't want there to be research here.

[-] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

And sci-hub paused adding more papers 😞

[-] alvendam@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What? When? Why? Fuck!

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

One should do a study about much these supposedly open access journals are profiting and who are their shareholders and what not

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

sighs from Eastern Europe

You'd think that they're using the money for prizes for reviewers or as scholarship prizes. What are they doing with all that money? Hosting a journal can't be that expensive.

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 7 months ago

It all goes to the C-Suits and any investors.

[-] WholeEnchilada@lemmy.today 11 points 7 months ago

I would like to see this written up for a wider context because it's not just a science problem. The Humanities, Arts, and pretty much the whole campus is the same in this way. It's why I left academia. Universities are set up wrong because employee incentives make it a sort of feudalistic system. All you have to do is work as a professor for a few years and discover it's pretty much the same as grad school. You don't really collaborate with the people you work with every day in person. All your contacts are outside your home campus. Nothing useful for the world happens on the campus. You do that outside of the campus to gain "reknown" and your outside brand gets you cred on campus. Meanwhile, on your home campus, your so-called colleagues do everything they can to block any cross-listing of courses they can because the administration counts the beans. The department needs to generate credit hours. Cross-listing is viewed as bean subtraction.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 7 months ago

Peep the link I shared, it's from the Journal of Politcal Ecology. The author has more bits I'm meaning to dive into.

[-] WholeEnchilada@lemmy.today 4 points 7 months ago

I think (another reason I left academia) you missed my point. You posted to a science place. My point is that it should be cross posted to many places.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 4 points 7 months ago

Ha, we agree. I did misunderstand, forgive me. I don't know honestly if I'm going to stay in this game either after this. Going to be a bit of a dice roll.

[-] WholeEnchilada@lemmy.today 2 points 7 months ago

Well if you're a scientist you have better paying options than i did when i left. I was in the Humanities. Still greener pastures and less bullshit for me. I guess I'll try to be helpful: reprogram your career brain. In the real world, it isn't all about you and your abilities or how smart you are. It's just about what you already know from life and your special abilities you gained from work experience, plus your educational background. It was hard for me at first now it's super easy plus im actually compensated for my work as i think is fair.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 3 points 7 months ago

I'm an older PhD. I've already worked outside of it but found more of the same shit on the inside lol.

[-] WholeEnchilada@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago

Well, im considered quite old myself. I'm no spring chicken. Please do consider posting a little wider when you find the time. I'm sure you have plenty if you've been promoted to full. All your little assistant profs are busier than you no doubt.

[-] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Please don't give the overlords ideas. "Minimum wage" as a currency? Talk about dystopian present, damn.

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Libgen and Scihub exist for this exact reason. How is it we've arrived at a situation where capitalists are deciding how knowledge is propagated?

[-] BluesF@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Academic publishing seems like a problem that should be easy to solve. It's a situation where greed is outright making the service worse for everyone, so it seems like a new journal that does things differently (e.g. by not charging researchers) could become wildly successful... So why doesn't that happen? Are there barriers to creating new journals?

[-] wieson@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago

Is that 15 weeks of minimum wage or 15 months?

[-] Tnaeriv@sopuli.xyz 7 points 7 months ago

Months. Brazil's minimum wage is BRL 1413 per month, which is around $273.

[-] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Time to start another journal, one not run by antiscience moneygrubbing trashbags!

[-] Zerush@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago

Luckily there are several tools and scripts to bypass paywalls and also those that redirect to the original publication, when the anti-paywall does not work.

[-] Frogodendron@beehaw.org 2 points 7 months ago

Why isn’t Brazil on the list of countries that have their fees waived? Are they on the “rich” side of the spectrum for that to be considered or is there simply no agreement between Brazilian government/publishers?

Yes, I know this is treating a symptom rather than illness itself, but for the sake of today’s science and not the science of tomorrow, at least such an option should be available.

[-] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 7 months ago

Brazil's approach for fostering innovation and technology is to tax all outside tech at 100%, even though no local industry for the products even exists. I don't have high expectations for them investing in scientific publishing.

[-] nintendiator@feddit.cl -2 points 7 months ago

only option is pay out of pocket

Or, ya know, self publish.

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's not compatible with the rest of the managerial bureaucracy. And it's not peer-reviewed...

[-] nintendiator@feddit.cl 1 points 7 months ago

Doesn't publishing come after getting your stuff reviewed by peers?

(But even if it's done after, then self-publishing then makes it easier for peers to get your work to review it, which should increase overall quality)

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Reviewers need to be invited and selected to be a good match.

Otherwise, you're just describing preprint servers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_preprint_repositories

[-] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 1 points 6 months ago

I mean hypothetically yes, but if you're in the sciences tenure, promotion, and wages will be based on publication in high impact factor, for profit journals, so that's not realistic.

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