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I know I’ve expressed dislike for the guy in the past, but seriously? I thought for even something like this, he would at least have a good take on it.

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[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 94 points 3 months ago

Would have been nice if he cited some sources for the alleged mass murders and disappearances.

Aa for the election I think it is true that it has not been transparent enough to pass the sniff test. But I don't really care about that. When the west cries about electoral integrity it rings very hollow. Because of the sanctions and the material support for Venezuela's far right from America, the election is already not free and fair. Freedom and democracy lovers should ask their government to remove their boot from Venezuela's neck.

[-] CaliforniaSpectre@hexbear.net 44 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 73 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Because he's Australian living in a more reactionary state in Latin America, it's not surprising he disparages most AES, even if Venezuela isn't even run by a ML party. In fact Maduro's real policies is more akin to Bad Empanada than he thinks. Brainworms are brainworms, I guess.

[-] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 63 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

His Twitter trolling is funny and he's right about a lot of things but he's also kind of a melt between his views on China/AES and talking about how the left should organise into armed revolutionary cadres while doing 2 hour livestreams about Keffals drama and shit

[-] pooh@hexbear.net 60 points 3 months ago

I always kinda got the impression he’s a contrarian that thrives on drama. Sort of like a breadtube version of keemstar.

[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 58 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"All streamers should be shot." - Bademp

[-] BlueMagaChud@hexbear.net 56 points 3 months ago

pretty standard incoherent internet maoist, can be pretty cool and then suddenly veers off into purely contrarian anti-aes nonsense that only serves imperialism

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago

I've definitely had issues with some of his previous AES takes but is venezuela really AES? seems like a stretch but I don't know enough to say

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 50 points 3 months ago

Nominally socialist under Chavisimo but functionally it’s a Latin American attempt to do the Nordic model.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago

Capitalists own the majority of Venezuelan production, they just don't have any real influence on the military or the street organizations that keep poor people fed and get them to vote every election.

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[-] jack@hexbear.net 52 points 3 months ago

he's always been anti-Venezuela

[-] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 42 points 3 months ago

sounds like some cracker shit idrc

[-] Zeronelite@hexbear.net 39 points 3 months ago

Yeah, this bothers me

Honestly it doesn't quite matter to me if the election victory is 'legitimate'. My opposition to US-backed coups (both dems like Chris Murphy and repubs like John Bolton admit in public that they tried & failed to coup Venezuela) is not contingent on its target being socialist, progressive or democratic

BadEmpanada can defend himself from critique by claiming he's just being factual, but even the fucking Majority Report had more principle in stating they didn't know for certain because they weren't experts on Venezuela, and more importantly putting front and center their opposition to US regime change

When you have Kamala Harris supporters arguing a more principled anti-imperialist position than you, you know you've fucked up

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[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Honestly, please dunk on me, because I saw this video and now I don't know what to think about the Venezuelan election issue. Two days ago I remarked that my only acquaintance in Venezuela had come out in support for the election fraud narrative — and my kneejerk assumption was that this person, being a jus soli US overseas citizen who speaks English as a second language to an advanced level, was probably just peddling pro-imperialist nonsense. And I felt kind of bad about saying this, because even though it was probably true, it also felt like I was saying of someone behind his back that I know better than him about issues that directly affect him. Even in the times when this is plainly true, it is never comfortable to assert this.

But now, Hell, man, I don't know shit about Venezuela, really, right? So could I have been wrong to assume that the only Venezuelan I know was blinded by his own biases? And I don't like treating YouTubers as trustworthy sources, because God knows they aren't, and God knows that people like Bad Empanada have their own biases too — but this video did shake my confidence in the apparent consensus about the Venezuelan election. Because when I just saw ten headlines about election fraud and assumed "Alright, that sounds like it's probably true", then what's to say that the whole image of consensus about the Venezuelan election issue doesn't come from other people doing the exact same thing? But maybe that thought is just parasocial brainworms from this guy calling me a child who needs a hobby, though, that that type of shaming would strike a chord with me who often worries about not being active enough in real-world organizing.

So what really is the "solid dick" about Venezuela right now? Where do the communists of Venezuela really stand on the election issue? Where would you recommend I look to get a better idea of the situation, such that I can feel like I've done my due investigation into the issue? Probably all the articles and videos already shared in the past few days, for starters.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Long story short, there is no solid dick. Nobody knows what is going on in the Venezuelan elections outside of maybe the judicial branch, and even they are taking their time on confirmation.

That being said, it doesn't matter if you think there is fraud or not, we are literally talking about media coming from a country (the U.S.) that tried to do a coup less than 5 years ago and then maintained a government in exile. Observably and historically! As such you cannot take anything the mainstream media, or any of their downstream puppets who get most of their information from those sources, seriously.

Not that it matters. Our opinions in the U.S. have no actual bearing on the matter, in fact, they are equal to your buddy who is Venezuelan, because if intervention is called for, correctly or incorrectly, it's not their ass that will be in the meat grinder. Even if they have family there, their actual means of production stakes are essentially the same as yours.

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

Our opinions in the U.S. [...]

[wakes up]

[finds out own country has been annexed by the US]

lea-tired

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[-] Walk_On@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

I'd be more critical of the elections if leftist activists and reporters were reporting that there was something off going on, but that isn't the case at all. People like Alan MacLeod, Eugene Puryear and Rania Khalek among others have been reporting the contrary.

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

[...] Alan MacLeod, Eugene Puryear and Rania Khalek among others [...]

Ah great, three names in a row that I don't recognize! Now I have to determine whether my unfamiliarity with these apparently notable journalists is because I'm a bad leftist, or if it's actually a good thing that most of the left-wing journalism I read is neither in English nor from the USA.

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[-] CaliforniaSpectre@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I also got shaken a little bit ngl. I really don't know shit and can't say much about the reality on the ground in the country, and every friend I have in the liberal human rights/charity sphere is always talking about the humanitarian crisis etc. etc. I want to chalk it up to neolib propaganda exaggerating the effects of US enforced sanctions, but there probably are mistakes coming from the current Chavista leadership if the crisis has deepened as profoundly as I'm constantly being told.

One thing I picked up on was the Carter Center not being given access to verify the results this time around but that they had every time before. I'm trying to get a look at some of their old reports to see what they had said about the past, but any comrades have an idea of why this relationship would have been broken? I assume it's lib institution (it's named after Carter....), but a break in such a historical relationship is worthy of note to me.

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 40 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean, having the U.S. quite literally attempting to stag a coup and then maintain a government in exile for 4 years would put a damper on me giving any information to any U.S. affiliated institution, non-profit or otherwise. Edit: There is nothing preventing them from lying about the results. Other U.S. organizations have done it before.

That said, bourgeoisie democracy is a complete farce anyways, I get why BE is being a whiny little child though, it's no fun when the sucdems ban the ML party, but idk why the ML people assumed Maduro would be on their side. Their party runs the street orgs and military, they aren't just going to give them up to some nerds who read some books. Especially if their response to getting banned is literally interventionist theory from the U.S.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter how Maduro did in the elections (though he probably did win them because again, they run the street organizations). What matters is that Venezuela will likely not 'get better' under a neoliberal thumb. Venezuela is between a rock and a hard place. I don't envy the leadership or the populace there.

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[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

Maybe it's just me but if there are Leftists who initially took power with popular support, mobilized popular support to prevent coups multiple times, and then continue to keep fascists at bay through some electoral fraud in order to maintain power, is that so bad?

I feel like "democracy" brainworms is something I've been working on myself and, in cases like these, what does it matter if in a given election a leftist Party doesn't win majority? Most of the time, maybe, Leftists won't win majority until they finally take power by force. It doesn't mean they shouldn't take power to do better for the people. In Venezuela, they are currently severely limited and impaired by the US sanctions but it's still a better existence than under capitalist coup conspirators.I didn't watch the video but I'm sure people in Venezuela are struggling right now and this may be why Maduro is less popular, but in my opinion it's mostly the fault of the US. If Maduro can stay in power to maintain the revolution and hopefully turn things around, then that's good even if there was a little electoral fraud.

That being said, I don't think nor know if there was any.

Uncritical support to the Bolivarian Revolution. chavez-salute maduro-salute

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[-] Andrzej@lemmy.myserv.one 15 points 3 months ago

Far from an expert here, but imo you only need to look at the media coverage itself to at least see that the idea of a huge popular upswell is bunk. I've been scouring the reportage for a long shot of these protests, and nothing. How about the opposition figures in front of a crowd? Again, nothing. It's always a handful of goons in a conference room. Meanwhile, Maduro still demonstrably has a huge social base, going by the attendance at rallies, official support from social orgs etc.

There have almost certainly been irregularities dgmw, but, as has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the election was hopelessly compromised from the get go. It's just not possible to have 'free and fair' elections under circumstances such as this.

With regard to other forms of suppression e.g. Machado's disqualification, well... I mean she's openly calling for foreign intervention, is collaborating with hostile state actors, and she's a fucking nazi.

If liberal democracy worked as advertised, the opposition would have conceded to a new political consensus by now, and perhaps even be back in power. They could just say, "ok, the nationalized oil stays. Now, why not let us manage it instead?" But they have not ceded an inch on privatisations, and they won't either. Liberal democracy demands that the complete dismantling of the meagre gains of chavismo be on the table at every election.

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago

badempanada is annoying but some of the stuff he brought up is legitimately suspicious. This election was very likely rigged

Having said that, I don't really care if maduro rigged the election. Election rigging can be perfectly fine in some cases and this might be one of those

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

Not gonna watch the video because I can't stand this kind of youtuber. What points did he bring up? Everything I've seen just points the allegations from the far right to be bunk and the only evidence they have is from a firm that is definitely a State Dep cutout.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

Started watching but didn't finish it because at like 3 minutes he outright says "I'm not going to cite anything because the people who support Maduro wouldn't believe any sources anyway". So nothing. He claims that "if you saw the videos venezuelans are being sent from family still in venezuela" you would agree with them. Which, okay, maybe post one then?

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

That's exactly why I don't like these unserious youtubers. Just preaching to a choir and they're so complacent they don't even hear themselves.

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[-] newacctidk@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago

There very well may have been fraud, and I won't pretend that Maduro hasn't maneuvered in dishonest or outright illegal ways to avoid the Chavistas losing power. And I do think it is fair to say he hasn't managed well and has lost the socialists there a lot of good will which just makes foreign interventionism easier.

However BE's framing of this is unsympathetic. Like he will for sure agree that Maduro being in power is better than the alternatives, he has said as much in the past week, but because of how approaches controversy he can't help himself but frame it this way. It is really annoying and I say this as someone who defends him 9 times out of 10.

I get that it is frustrating to see some leftists utterly dismiss some of the reality in Venezuela or any other country. There is a certain blindspot plenty of us have. You see it when Ortega is mentioned, you see it when Iran comes up. But antagonism is not going to fix that, and certainly not WHILE coup attempts are happening. He could save that shit for after like he did when he talked about Maduro previously. But then again, holding onto power, however better than the alternative electoral options they may be, is harming socialism in the country if this continues. Maduro should stay in power right now, but by god PSUV needs to have a new face, Maduro needs an established successor and one who won't come off as obviously hand picked. I think that is what BE is mostly pissed about, that people are taking tactical necessity and treating it as everything is going well or this is ideal.

But again, bitching about people bitching about other people is not really helping either so this type of talk is useless

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

He’s the last person to call other people brainless internet children

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[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

without a class conscious organized mass movement any individual person on the internet people look to as a left authority will go insane, the human brain is just not suited for this

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

not me, I'm built different

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

That title, my guy is rapidly becoming Breadtube Maddox

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[-] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There is an insurmountable level of disinfo, information deluge, and obfuscation that can be delivered to onlookers.

If only the solutions to these questions were more intuitive... It would be cool to have PGP Vote with local election officials and officials from parties signing constituents' keys to form the web of trust. It's just not gonna happen tho

[-] Procapra@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

I would unironically rather watch some tiktok maoist with 100followers record themselves doing pushups in the woods. Idc if he's correct most of the time, his entire online persona is consistently fucking cringe.

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

The cardinal sin of being too fking annoying

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[-] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This doesn't surprise me.

He missed with the Xinjiang 'genocide' as well.

Missing is human, but he's such a dick about it and to my knowledge he never acknowledged how fucking stupid he was about Xinjiang - and I doubt he will about this as well.

[-] Leegh@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

Generally his video essays about Imperialism/ Settler-Colonialism are extremely on point and a great way to educate libs, but yeah his takes on AES can be hit and miss.

In regards to Venezuela, while their nominally socialist government definitely has its problems (even if you ignore the likely electoral fraud, Maduro has suppressed much of the Venezuelan left including the Communist Party, and his policies are largely social democratic in nature), as a Marxist who lives in the Global North, my first position towards Venezuela or any country in the Global South is to lift all sanctions and/ or stop Western intervention for imperialist interests. This is why we have critical support for imperialized countries.

[-] MalarchoBidenism@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

I feel like a lot of us here struggle to reconcile that

A) the US has a long history of using "freedom and democracy" as a purely cynical, hypocritical and often straight up false (they called Allende a tyrant lmao) excuse for imperialism

and B) sometimes anti-imperialist leaders really are undemocratic, partially as a defense mechanism against imperialist aggression and partially because they aren't very good leaders and their incompetence leads to popular discontent (which is further exploited by imperialists to the point that it's hard to tell where one ends and the other begins)

I guess what I'm saying is you can be glad Maduro didn't get couped and replaced with Venezuelan Javier Milei, you can be 100% against sanctions and cynical US attempts to "democratize" Venezuela, but you don't need to pretend like there was nothing suspicious about this election. Just look at the vote counts released by the CNE on July 29 I mean come on lol, bro is regimemaxxing with these percentages

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[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 months ago

He's just another twitter/youtube debatebro streamer who happens to have a vaguely maoist bent. His heart has always been in starting shit for attention, never for socialist causes or education.

[-] shitholeislander@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You're surprised that the guy who implied he thought Muslims would and should bomb the New York metro over the Palestinian genocide is a stupid reactionary asshole?

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

there's no need for muslims to bomb anything. america will just do that to itself and then blame them. brace-dark-cowboy

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[-] T34_69@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

Dude always comes off like a creepy asshole, not sure why people like him, maybe like a "he's our asshole" kind of thing

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[-] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

He's 70% correct, 30% wrong.

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[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 months ago

Despite his best efforts to shit upon anyone who even lightly attempts to interact with him (his best and worst trait), his "takes" are very often correct. People might not like specific phrasing and sort of "hedging" around his opinions of certain nations and/or leaders, but if you focus on his core statements, he agrees with most people who frequent lemmygrad/hexbear.

He's not even saying Madura staying is good or bad, btw. He's just saying that as far as he can tell, and from videos and such he's seen from people in Venezuela, the election was rigged. His point (this is me translating from Asshole to English) is: "who cares? It makes sense that given Madura's mistakes, which cannot be blamed solely on the US, people who aren't all that engaged in the political process want a different guy. Any guy. Even voting for right wingers." Which makes sense if you apply that logic to other nations where voters will vote to punish leaders during times of hardship even if the resulting change of government worsens things.

That said, I don't know dick about Venezuela and will be withholding much opinion besides "always be extremely skeptical of US media and state department- but do not totally discount them. They only lie most of the time. Sometimes if truth is more effective they'll tell the truth." Hopefully time will reveal, with proof, the full situation.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

the election was rigged

Evidence?

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