Have you tried being more fascist?

No it's a sign that you're winning because you are displaying your fearsome power.

"This just in: in response to a sudden increase in conflagrations, Israelis are apparently now being supplied with free fiddles by the government"

We are not the same etc etc.

The government of Israel pays them welfare in order to do "demographic warfare".

Aren't many of them descendants of Jews who lived peacefully in Palestine before Zionist settlement?

They are broke as fuck.

idk it makes sense given we don't seem to think American comrades are bad for not moving (they pay taxes to the murder machine because they stay there) (America is a settler colonialist country)

Of course these people have probably like a 50% chance of just not wanting to be shot for the Zionist project but still benefit? I have no idea what's going on

when did green man have his jan 6?

Zionazi recruitment / dissapear vans incoming.

They've been trying and failing to get them to enlist in exchange for free school, but it hasn't worked at all lmao. All the dudes wanna do is study Torah

removed from everything else, having a large group of actionable people who you grant special rights to who oppose the entire existence of your state is fucking stupid statebuilding. How many state level checks and hurdles do you gotta botch to arrive at this point

They are opposed to the war though. They’re notorious for opposing the entire state of israel

I'm a little confused, how would that mindset make sense if they're saying they would rather die than enlist?

and it's tearing them apart

Some Orthodox Jews (even in Israel) are genuinely anti-Zionist, whole others just want to avoid military conscription because that shit sucks. I'm sure this is a mix of both.

I'm also lost and dumb. But as I understand both groups exist. There are the ultra nationalist Orthodox that are also the main group settling the West Bank. Then there are other Orthodox groups that are religious but not nationalist, i.e. they are actually educated and seem to realize that God doesn't want all Palestinians to die.

All of the Orthodox groups have been exempt up until now. But I definitely think they want them to enlist not just for numbers but as others suggest as the opportunity for re-education

The ones who dislike the state and the IDF believe it’s an illegitimate entity because they were propped up by humans and not god.

Your confusion is extremely understandable and it is really hard to get a goo viewpoint into this exact issue from basically anywhere outside of the Haredi communities themselves. What makes it even harder is that there is not lock-step uniformity among "ultra-orthodox" Jews either in Palestine or outside. Traditionally, all Haredi Jews were anti-Zionist since they believed in the Jewish religion which, itself, is an anti-Zionist faith: some of the biggest offenses you can commit in the Jewish religion are (1) try to establish a Jewish state in the holy land (or even enter the holy land) through any means other than literally waiting for the literal God to literally come back to earth and literally resurrect the King David, thereby re-establishing God's kingdom on earth, (2) stealing anything from anyone, and (3) killing anybody. This is why Jewish communities rejected Zionism for 1800 years even though they knew what it was. HOWEVER, since the founding of the state, there have been massive campaigns to pressure the traditional religious adherents to adopt Zionism, including creation of new religious schools that are based on a Zionist version of Judaism. Making it even harder to distinguish from the outside - several communities of "ultra-orthodox" Jews in Palestine are comprised of former non-Haredi Jews who have adopted more traditional lifestyles while retaining their core Zionism. Add on top of that the general prejudices, racism, reactionism, etc. that already find fertile ground in fundamentalist communities of all monotheist religions, and you end up with a lot of people who look the same, dress the same, and talk the same taking radically different sides of the Zionism issue. However, the traditional Haredi communities who, for example, serve in the Knesset have often been anti-Zionist and, according to them, the reason they serve in the Knesset protect the traditional Jewish religious practice from the secular state that they fear. This has allowed them to ally with (or at least not oppose) genocidal, secular Zionists when they are doing ethnic cleansing in Palestinian territories because the primary concern of these ministers is letting them shut down their neighborhoods on the sabbath or prevent women form praying next to the men at the Western Wall, etc.