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Israeli Leaders Demand Probe of IDF Rape Video—To Find Out Who Leaked It (www.commondreams.org)
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[-] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 182 points 1 month ago

No surprise there.

After Knesset members actually got up and angrily defended the supposed right to rape Palestinians and the finance minister lamented the fact that the rest of the world would condemn arranging for the death by starvation of 2 million Palestinians, there's pretty much no low left that's too low for the Israeli government.

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago

Hit the bottom and kept on digging. Next stop, upper mantle.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 month ago

DAE have Cannibalism on their atrocity bingo card?

[-] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

New ad just came out from the Israeli tourism board:

"Visit Isreal: at least we're not cannibals!"

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

It bothers me that voters aren't going to find support for Israel to be a disqualifying issue.

[-] orrk@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago

well, show me who you can vote for, that actually has a reasonable chance of getting in, who isn't supporting Israel.

America currently has the choice of literal fascist takeover, or just milk-toast "liberal" policy.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Just so you're aware, it's milquetoast.

I agree with everything you say.

[-] barooboodoo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

I'm not so sure about that, it often comes on the side with a big milksteak boiled over hard.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Well it depends on how you like your jellybeans with it.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To your first point, there are none unless you're willing to vote third party.

To your second point, I disagree. Fascism isn't some specter on the horizon. It's already here, and the only choice is between the flavors that have been forced upon us.

In the US, milque-toast liberal policy is fascist. Look at the costs of health care and education, the astronomical spending on war, the patronage of the big banks and exemptions they receive for their crimes, and the deliberate and escalated impoverishment of the poor and milddle class. (Not to mention the continued and escalated militarization of the police.)

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

that actually has a reasonable chance of getting in

unless you're willing to vote third party

To be abundantly clear, with the system as designed in the US, third party (presidential) candidates do not have any chance of "getting in" this election, let alone a "reasonable" chance (in certain areas, some options may exist for lesser political appointments).

Voting third party is at best a weak attempt to signal preference for future elections, but at worst a gift to whichever party or candidate you consider to be "most bad".

By all means, protest vote in the primaries, campaign for candidates you believe in, and most importantly, discuss the issues that are important to you to help bolster public awareness, but please, PLEASE, don't fall for the con that is voting 3rd party in the election.

I don't know who your third party favorite is, but do yourself a favor and look at who is donating to their campaign, and what other campaigns those donors support - a lot of money is thrown at 3rd party candidates to draw votes away from credible political opponents.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

I don't have any illusions about this or any presidential election.

The person who wins will do the bidding of the billionaire class, and that's how it's been since the 60's. (Though the wealth disparity has increased exponentially since Reagan's presidency.)

We haven't had a president who did anything meaningful for the poor and middle class since LBJ.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

No president has ever been or will ever be perfect, but we've had some good steps since LBJ:

Clinton's increased taxes on the rich, defense spending cuts, etc, got us our first and last government surplus years since '69, and made a little progress on welfare, but that was largely hampered by a Republican takeover of the House in '94

Obama passed the ACA, which was pretty meaningful to the middle class. Again, further progress got hampered by Republicans in congress in the later years of his presidency

Biden has passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which has lots of progressive incentives that benefit middle class families, including tax breaks for home efficiency improvements, renewable energy, and electric vehicles. He has also helped wipe away billions of dollars in student loan debts, benefiting middle class families (but again, you can thank Republicans for that not moving further or quicker)

You'll note the constant tend though - since the president doesn't write the laws, without congressional support, progressive ambitions get killed.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and made a little progress on welfare

He famously cut welfare, and did a great service to furthering fascism via the '94 crime bill and 'Don't Ask Don't Tell'. He also used the the White House has his own personal pleasure house and gave out nights in the Lincoln bedroom in exchange for campaign donations, when he wasn't taking trips on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

Obama passed the ACA, which was pretty meaningful to the middle class

The ACA only matters if you have the money to withstand being price-gouged. Most people don't, sadly. What's even worse is Obama had the power in Congress to make real change, but opted against single-payer in return for lobbyist contributions. Obama made big promises and then pretended to be powerless, but the rich were rewarded beyond measure while the rest of us lived through the foreclosure crisis.

without congressional support

The Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and the Affordable Care Act were passed with simple majorities. It stands to reason that when the president has Congress, they can do what they want if they're actually willing to make change.

That is why I don't have any hope for the future of this country. The two previous Democratic presidents both had Congress for half of their terms, and the poor and middle classes got poorer.

No president has ever been or will ever be perfect

True but the definition of 'imperfect' has changed vastly over the last 50 years, which is why fascism is a reality rather than the specter most Americans seem to think it is.

Two weeks ago 99% of the country was arguing with each other in support of two candidates in clear cognitive decline, and it took a very public cognitive meltdown to change that.

[-] demesisx@infosec.pub 7 points 1 month ago

You are so fucking on-point. Thanks for your truths. Keep speaking up. ✊🏼

[-] USSMojave@startrek.website 5 points 1 month ago

Trump would personally push the button to exterminate the Gazans. That's what we're up against. I suggest you put your energy into defeating him, then we put Kamala's feet to the fire so she listens, as she has already signalled her intention to do so.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Also, sorry I had to edit my other reply a zillion times. My Internet's being spotty this evening.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The democratic system in America is broken... what is democracy if you just constantly converge onto a two party system?

[-] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 1 month ago

This is the kind of comment that prisoners of the two party system, Lemmy.world smug libs downvote.

Keep speaking the truth regardless of the brigading.

[-] Sabin10@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

That's unregulated capitalism. You're describing capitalism, not fascism.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I mean, you could argue that we're missing a dictator, but the billionaire class that actually owns this government feels sufficiently dictatorial to me.

The only upside in all this is that economic disparity has gotten so bad that it's forced labor unions to get stronger by necessity.

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[-] Chozo@fedia.io 17 points 1 month ago

In my opinion, you shouldn't qualify or disqualify a candidate over a single issue. While it sucks that nobody on the ticket supports this particular view, there aren't a lot of other constructive options available.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

In my opinion, you shouldn't qualify or disqualify a candidate over a single issue.

I think that's fair for most issues.

On Israel though... I mean... at what point is the horror and our government's support of it enough to support a change?

[-] RandomGuy79@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

No, don't care don't want trump2. Whine into the void for all I care

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[-] auzy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You again eh.

The guy who wants people to vote for Trump....

Again, I don't think anyone wants the Israel war

But, Trump is so much worse. It's not even a comparison at this time.

Trump is literally raping women. And at this time, that's the least of what he's done

But I suspect you're taking this approach because you know directly telling people to vote for Trump will get you down votes, but if people check your history, it's clear that's what you want...

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[-] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Not a probe to find the perpetrators, just who tattled. Classic.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Can't wait to meet the Israeli Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 8 points 1 month ago

Are you also in a secret prison in Israel? What a coincidence

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

What's really scary to me is that I'm pretty confident the next Al Qaeda is having its origin story right now.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

This nice to have to keep people who say only "democracy in the middle East" and "not apartheid state" quite...

[-] hexdream@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

So they are taking tips on how to handle leaks from the US government?

[-] HowMany@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

They will sic prince bonesaw's squad of professional butchers to cleanse the earth of all traces of this crime.

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

A perfect demonstration of how deeply ingrained in the middle eastern mentality is the utter disrespect for human life so that these things are fully legitimized over there. And if our repuglicans had their way it would be here too

[-] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"ingrained in the middle eastern mentality"? I'd have a look at my own mentality if I was this comfortable generalizing several hundreds of millions of people like that. It seems like you have disdain for both victim and perpetrator irrespective of which in your mind is which, because they're middle eastern. Weird.

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