Liberals put a very high value on awareness of problems yet distrust people that want to do something about them.

yeah... I was a liberal once, and it was definitely informed in large part by wanting to be "good" and correct. I became kind of a debatelord for a minute there. But, what I didn't do, was shit my pants and demand the mods ban them when it became clear I was on the wrong side of something, I lived and learned and moved on (generally leftward). You gotta be able to take the L sometimes.

Liberals are incapable of understanding politics.

Period.

They're used to only dealing with some form of Fox (or Fox Business) Conservative. Like, thats the only other form of politics they can fathom outside of some vague adherence to "smart government." And when it comes to "getting stuff done" they think it's just a numbers game: just get enough good Libs elected and things will be gooder, or some shit.

Like, forget war - which for some reason Libs can't wrap their heads around that war is fucking bad. What's the Lib response to climate change or failing healthcare or inexplicable income gaps? Vote harder? California is a Super Majority D state. Obama had Congress sewn up for 2 years. Conservativism is effectively dead where the majority of people live. So what's the endgame? When does shit get better?

And that's where Libs are left with an identity crisis because to admit any one little (but really fucking big) thing is beyond repair is admitting there are systemic problems that cannot be solved with the only tool in the shed: voting. And that's basically the Lib version of staring into the abyss.

Everything a Lib knows is a fucking lie.

this ain't it fam. it's the same smug armchair psychology we dunk on redditors for doing.

for any lib lurkers, i recommend reading liberalism: a counter-history by domenico losurdo

In this definitive historical investigation, Italian author and philosopher Domenico Losurdo argues that from the outset liberalism, as a philosophical position and ideology, has been bound up with the most illiberal of policies: slavery, colonialism, genocide, racism and snobbery.

Narrating an intellectual history running from the eighteenth through to the twentieth centuries, Losurdo examines the thought of preeminent liberal writers such as Locke, Burke, Tocqueville, Constant, Bentham, and Sieyès, revealing the inner contradictions of an intellectual position that has exercised a formative influence on today’s politics. Among the dominant strains of liberalism, he discerns the counter-currents of more radical positions, lost in the constitution of the modern world order.

The problem with libs is that they beleve ideas make history. Once you put yourself in that mindset the chauvinism becomes more reasonable.

The west is the richest so they have the best ideas. Since the liberal idea set is self evidently the best the other countries are backward and their idea sets should be replaced.

In reality the reason the west has been richer for the last 3-4 hundred out of 10-14k years of agriculture has les to do with ideas or western culture and more to do with geografic and demografic realities, that are too comlicated for this post. So the libs are wrong.

The most important thing is that liberals believe that just making good statements and public signals (like "I am voting for Democrats and Democrats are good because I say so and when I vote for them I am a good person by definition") makes you good and is the most important action someone can do. Sure, I supported the Iraq war and exploit my employees and steal wages from them, but I have this great lawn sign that makes me a good person.

You have no social awareness and dude is a gender neutral term actually

Average liberal I've seen around here. It's like going back in time 10 years on reddit.

Look, if they thought our politics were better, they'd agree with us. So it's something else.

no more half measures walter

I thought it was because, despite wanting things like universal healthcare and welfare supports, they don't want to let go of capitalism. I'm not from here, and not all the way to where you are, but that's my outside view.

I just love the image of some liberal consciously thinking "I hate anyone with better politics than me," like the idea that they'd label their own politics as worse than leftism

All this talk of federation but no replicators. Fuck this shit

The liberal instinct is to appear "not too crazy" and to appease conservatives with compromise because otherwise the conservatives will get violent. Thus, when we show up we are "making them look bad" and "ruining their moderate image" through guilt by association. It doesn't help that they never appease us with compromise but only ever reserve compromise for those to their right. This is because they always imagine themselves to be "left of center" and thus compromising with anyone further to their left is "going too far" or "becoming a tankie." or whatever. The cherry on top is that they don't understand that both the liberal and conservative political classes are part of a joint capitalist class dictatorship. They will unironically say "you need both wings to fly" while not realizing the body of the plane itself only carries the capitalists and drops bombs on the workers.