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Effort require Effort (files.catbox.moe)
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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 135 points 1 month ago

I achieved everything I have today through hard work. And a small 10 million loan from dad.

[-] Randomocity@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm a millionaire today thanks to hard work and a billion dollar inheritance.

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

Tbf it may not have been his hard work, but hard work nonetheless

[-] ggppjj@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

With $100,000, I invested it and then I turned it into $16,000.

[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Jumps out the window.

[-] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 98 points 1 month ago

Being on time doesn’t require effort? How’s the weather in Neurotypia?

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 1 month ago

Also, body language

I don't even know what's that supposed to meaaaan

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[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 84 points 1 month ago
[-] Furball@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

These exist in a ton of classrooms unfortunately

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Classrooms? I thought this was up in an office, damn they're really trying to brainwash kids to hate themselves early wherever that is eh :-(

Our schools aren't perfect, but I never saw anything remotely like that here, any messaging was always very positive and supportive and stuff.

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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 77 points 1 month ago
[-] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I get the joke but the fish is low quality too

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Things that don’t require effort:

  • Effort

Hmmm 🤔

[-] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 month ago

Being the son of the employer doesn't require any effort

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The one thing that requires zero effort is shutting the motherfucking hell UP during a lesson, but my 8th grade students can't seem to make it happen, so I separated their desks yesterday afternoon and pointed all of them forward, and they'll no longer be engaging in group work.

Edit: Because we have a bunch of Dunning-Krugers in this comment thread, I will clarify.

I've been teaching for 18 years. This is my 6th year teaching 8th grade. I have four classes with more than 30 students, and a full third of the students in all six classes won't stop talking. This is not an incompetent first-year teacher saying this. This is not a jaded, about-to-retire teacher saying this. This is not just a paycheck for me. It is my vocation and I take it seriously. I earned a Bachelor's in education and a Master's in math education; my K12 students generally love my classes because I am knowledgeable and make math fun to learn, and I always get the highest evaluation scores for the undergraduate classes with students regularly saying "I always used to struggle with/be afraid of/hate math, but [teacher] helped me get my first A/B ever in a math class."

The entire school...from the teachers to the administrators...knows what I know about this group of 8th graders, that the behavior of one-third of them is beyond the pale. None of us has had a set of students like these before, and none of us has a great solution. So we are just going to take away all privileges and give them back slowly over time once they've shown that they have earned them.

It's not just that they talk to much. It is that it is a third of every class, that they make it impossible to teach the two-thirds who are capable of being decent students on any given day, that they take pride and literal pleasure in being disruptions, that they have little shame or humility and thus no impetus to allow their teachers to teach, that phone calls home are fruitless, that we have little recourse as far as the administration is concerned and have to keep them in class, that I am autistic with auditory processing disorder and can't understand what a kid right in front of me is saying even with me putting my ear right next to their mouth and them repeating their question three times...

So please save armchair teachering because you really, really don't know what you're talking about.

[-] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Shocking that the offspring of a species that became the dominant species on this planet exactly because we evolved nearly effortless communication and social traits would be inclined to be social with other people.

Not saying you're a bad teacher, you just fighting an uphill battle against our natural instinct to be social creatures in an education system that does everything it can to ignore that kids generally do like and actuall do need to be social for healthy development.

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've been teaching for 18 years. Every year before this one, things have gone relatively well. They talk a little, I quiet them down, we have a lesson, time is embedded in it for group work, and I tell them I'd like 85% of their conversation to be about the assignment. Most kids are decent. A few are superb. Some do jack shit and I struggle all year to get them to do anything. And about 5% of the students cause problems and make it harder for their classmates to learn, but they get dealt with.

Not this year. Four classes of 30+, and in all six classes a full third of the 8th grade students can't see beyond two seconds from now. My shit is getting stolen, students leave their binder in their locker when they're supposed to bring it to every single class in the building, and their entire purpose in any given moment is to say/do/destroy whatever they can to create laughs/anger/shock in someone else, who could as easily be right in front of them as they could be on the opposite end of the room. A third. Of each class. And it is relentless. The teacher next door to me had her interactive TV display destroyed by a kid yesterday...the screen is completely shattered.

Every teacher that shares these kids is having the exact same issues across the board. So we are presenting a united front and shutting it the fuck down.

[-] notabot@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

Oof, that sounds rough. Are these the kids got hit hardest by the pandemic lockdowns? If so, maybe there's a glimmer of hope that this is an aberration and next year will be a bit more 'normal ', if you can get through this year with your sanity intact. It's got to be rough on the kids too, the ones who aren't causing trouble must still be struggling to deal with itm and the ones who are just sound desperate.

I enjoy teaching, or at least, transferring knowledge and experience, I'll do it to pretty much anyone who sits still long enough, and I've been told I'm good at it, but you couldn't pay me enough to teach a classroom full of kids all day, so you have my respect for that.

Good luck, and I hope things get better for the kids and teachers everywhere.

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Are these the kids got hit hardest by the pandemic lockdowns?

The prevalent theory among my colleagues is that it was something about the age these students were during virtual learning (ages 9-11) that may have been the deciding factor in why they are comparably so much worse behaved that any class of students before or after them, but I couldn't say.

I enjoy teaching, or at least, transferring knowledge and experience, I'll do it to pretty much anyone who sits still long enough,

Samesies. I love teaching, but sometimes I really dislike "being a teacher" because of the lack of support or any attempt at understanding what actually goes on inside the classroom day-to-day by admins, parents, or community members. I am good with mentoring a couple students each year and going them overcome their issues. But I don't have the capacity to do it for all 50+ kids who are making it impossible for the other 120 to learn.

Good luck, and I hope things get better for the kids and teachers everywhere.

Thanks, preesh.

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 10 points 1 month ago

It sounds like a combination of Covid years being bad for student development combined with school districts on shoestring budgets not having enough teachers on hand done they can't get enough teachers to take a vow of poverty.

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[-] iltoroargento 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not sure if you meant it this way, but this comes off as a pretty flippant take on humanity's evolutionary history and psychology as applied to a middle school classroom. There's a lot more going on than just humanity's supersocial nature.

Of course, we're social animals lol but within that reality, we have largely been able to communicate effectively and engage in learning. What the original commentor is saying is that those kids, apparently one third of each class, are severely lacking in any functional communication skills and framework.

Throughout our species' history, we have developed efficient ways of communicating and learning. These kids mentioned are not trained to consider (or, in some cases, are completely oblivious to) how their communication and behavior is perceived by peers, teachers, and concerned parents and bystanders. As was stated by @radicalautonomy@lemmy.world, many kids think/care only about how their actions and words are perceived by their target audience. That has always been part of the learning process, but I see it has become more prevalent and somewhat louder/more pronounced in older kids than it has been in the past.

I see a lot of factors feeding into this, but I think most of them boil down to the increased isolation and anxiety experienced by teens and preteens, today, and the lack of exposure to/familiarity with efficient, substantive, respectful, and effective communication.

Growing up is confusing and frightening enough, and, now, these kids are exposed to a lot more information that's increasingly curated into smaller and smaller sound bytes and memes designed to highlight outrage, anxiety, and disillusionment.

I think a lot of the "brainrot" culture we see today stems from young people wanting to communicate nonsensically as they are desensitized by the sheer amount of similarly coded content and communication they are exposed to. I grew up with other ways to shut off my brain and deal with the anxiety and inherent loneliness that comes with growing up and finding more of a sense of self, but these kids don't have the same breathing room as I did.

To your last point about education systems fighting against social behavior, I actually see the opposite. A massive amount of studies and practices have been implemented on how best to utilize the double edged sword of our social nature. Nearly every professional development training or meeting I go to deals with encouraging positive social interactions and discourse. I think if you look to schools and districts that actually walk the walk of education, you'll see a lot of progress.

Edit: I also want to say that a lot of these kids are really searching for ways to make sense of their confusing world and when they are presented with alternatives to unwind and even learn communication skills, a lot of them absolutely LOVE it. I run a biweekly D&D group for my 7th and 8th graders and one of them even refers to it as his "therapy" lol one of the best compliments I've been given and all the more meaningful considering kids are often such harsh critics.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

The one thing that requires zero effort is shutting the motherfucking hell UP during a lesson, but my 8th grade students

Hate to break it to you, but for 8th graders shutting up takes effort.

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Used to be one of those 8th graders. Can confirm. My inability to shut up was hilariously inconvenient and consequential

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Hahaha now I see why I was always the quiet kid people were worried about.

I was too afraid to talk and it was much easier being off in my own world inside my head.

Apparently that hasn't changed much.

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[-] some_guy 13 points 1 month ago

Teachers are heroes. I’ve got your back. You rock.

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

My class was like that, except it was K all the way up through 12. Every year, the same problem kids, and nothing could be done about it. Every year, at least one teacher quit because of my class, rumor has it that one of the high school teachers committed suicide because of us.

Good luck.

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[-] M137@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

Same shitty thing as a teacher saying your bus being cancelled or late isn't an excuse for coming late to class.

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 7 points 1 month ago

Well, it bloody hell is! Me not being bothered to get to school in time is also an excuse! It might not be a good excuse, but that wasn't the question

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

Uhhhh being on time is the worst! I want to wake up naturally and go to bed whenever the hell I feel like! I can get the same amount of work done 11am to 7pm rather than 9 to 5.

[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Okay, but then you won't be commuting at the same time as everyone else!

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 7 points 1 month ago

Be happy that your local culture isn't 8 to 4 instead of 9 to 5... Bring a night owl sucks here...

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago

Management is a rogue AI?

[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

Smoke enough money you’ll believe anything the capitalists say. Money: not even once…

[-] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I think this is a misquote. I've seen thing like this before and it's supposed to say "things that don't require TALENT"

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[-] dumbass@leminal.space 15 points 1 month ago

Existing requires effort...

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

How much effort does it take to pay your staff more? Almost none. You don't even actually have to do anything except tell your accountant to raise their pay.

[-] some_guy 13 points 1 month ago

I wish my handwriting was this good.

[-] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

Which also requires effort.

[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Something tells me this is satire.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

management has absolutely no clue what effort is. holding their desks down is the extent of it

[-] nexguy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Of course Effort doesn't require effort. It requires Ef and Fort.

[-] CondensedPossum@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Things that don't require effort:

  • copypasta from 2017
[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Anyone who says attitude doesn't require effort has never had to deal with people when they are exhausted.

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