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It's the dunk tank.

This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.

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[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 96 points 2 years ago (1 children)

:order-of-lenin:

Congratulations comrade, you may now proceed with your Lemmygrad appliaction. We are looking forward to your posts.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I mean I kind of am since I am helping build a new party centered on decolonial Marxism but I don't think that is what they are talking about

[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 62 points 2 years ago (1 children)

are you the person running that account? if so god speed to your mental health comrade those patsocs are vile

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No but Sungmanitu is a personal friend of mine

[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

well let them know they've got comrades on hexbear/lemmygrad rooting for them (if they even know what those are lol)

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (4 children)

lol yeah they do, my main role in the org is internet liaison/terminally online genX guy.

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[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

Imo when you combine the two simcerely you end up with CLR James or Franz Fanon: nationalists with a cautious and ambivalent relationship to nationalism.

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you are from 1973 then holy based :07:

It's hard to imagine anyone this cool whose my father's age, all of them suck.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

We were all wounded at Wounded Knee

Fun fact this is the same band that is used in Guardians of the Galaxy with the song Come And Get Your Love

The initial drum beat is also the same BPM as traditional indigenous drumming played during ceremonies and the base line picks that up and carries through the whole song.

There are definitely cool people from then and before, my dad and my stepdad (who is Navajo) are a couple of them.

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[–] wearysun@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i think it's a reference to Wounded Knee but Nakoichi might also be a boomer idk.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

lol compared to most people on here I am a boomer I guess, but yes you are correct it is a reference to Wounded Knee.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 79 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I still flip flop between ML and anarchism to be honest. I'm ML because of climate change time constraints but anarchist in heart.

Really what I care about is improving things. And I will use whatever toolbox seems to be the best option under the conditions in order to achieve that.

[–] Targuinia@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (3 children)

the centrist leftist take

Am I an ML? An anarchist? Who cares, I just wanna grill (the rich)

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[–] utopologist@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A friend of mine always says "I'm an ML now so I can be an anarchist one day in the future"

[–] iie@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

that's a good one

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have been converted to third worldism by all the contradictions. Something global historical materialism something super exploitation.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I think third worldism is about to be ripped apart by climate change. We're going to see a very very rapid destabilisation occur from climate refugee movements numbering in the tens of millions. It took just thousands of Syrian refugees to provoke huge EU destabilisation that led to Brexit, Greece, Italy, far right movements, etc etc... What's going to happen when the numbers are in the millions is going to blow it out of the water.

This rapid destabilisation is going to create a lot of revolutionary events.

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I would love for it to be possible for us to simply build our new world and show people a better way, but we are running out of time and more authoritarian measures are going to be necessary.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

"more authoritarian measures are going to be necessary."

Welp, that's the gotcha for calling you 'tankie' according to these people.

Use state measures, and they would treat you as oriental orc with no sense... get crushed by authoritarians and they will publicly worship you while secretly celebrating a progressive defeat towards reaction...

Edit: I'm pro-Nakoichi, just to clarify...

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

it all depends on whether by "authoritarian" the liberals mean "classes, hierarchies, oppression, bigotry and exploitation" or if they simply mean "using violence to bring an end to classes, hierarchies, oppression, bigotry and exploitation." I find that they tend to mean the latter. Hence, I leave it to Engels:

and also, oddly enough, Mark Twain:

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[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"tankie" has become such a pavlovian response to these people that the second they hear it they've decided they no longer need to consider anything this person might have to say. Like conservatives the second they hear something is "woke" and they throw a tantrum

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fediverse libs only know to say "Tankie!" and cry.

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[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven't come across any Anarchist theory that explicitly forbids tanks... kropotkin-shining

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I mean we kind of invented them with the tachanka

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 2 years ago
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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i gotta say i literally do not give a fuck if an ML state or anarchism happens first or whatever. I JUST WANT THIS HELL TO BE OVER this-is-fine

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

Funny you should say https://twitter.com/RefuseRaccoon/status/1488653392389890049

That's basically the stance I put forth in my pinned twitter thread lol

[–] crime@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago

tankie just means "anyone to the left of me", exhibit #10392

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

classic mistake. u see, tankie-ism is when you criticize people who love genocide. hope that helps!

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's just really funny when like, look at my pfp lol

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

tbf i think these people think anarchists are tankies

they dont have a concept of what the word actually means

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

tankie has been rhetorically whittled down from its original 1950s CPGB infighting meaning to just a worthless slander against any and all anti-imperialists, regardless of political tendency.

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[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (13 children)
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I'm sorry what's wrong with those screenshots? I see not a single problem in any one of those screens????????? Jokes about Blahaj, the IMF and some other stuff, staying inside Hexbear, is not a reason to defederate at all. Weird.

People having a good time joking among themselves on Hexbear is not disruptive behaviour. It's not trolling, it's not disruptive, it's not harassment or abuse. Are there tankies here? Damn right there are. There are also anarchists, democratic socialists and there's probably a socdem hiding somewhere that hasn't yet been bullied too much for being a lib. This is just anticommunism. "Tankie instance" is just "they allow communists". It's incredible colony-brained shit, these people need to decolonise their minds.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

One of the screenshots is literally just someone explaining how our custom emojis work lmao wtf

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's showing that you guys are communists. Hell, you're even federated with those awful bigoted tankies over at Lemmygrad!

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[–] booty@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

these fuckers just can't stop lying. how is it possible that so many people keep repeating that we mass-downvote posts when we literally disabled downvotes years before federating

https://pawb.social/comment/1836076

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[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm doing my part!

How did they not recognize the Grover Iraq pasta. Netizens these days have no appreciation of history.

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

trump-anguish pawb.social just stated that they're “the Furry Community's hub on Lemmy.” Will someone from their depleted and neoliberal instance please inform them that we too have a Furry Community, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than theirs, and our Furries can shitpost!

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[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 2 years ago

Don't you know? Anyone left of Nancy Pelosi is a tankie.

[–] BadTakesHaver@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

LALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOUUUU I CANT HEAR YOUUU

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

A real anarchist would wholeheartedly believe CIA and fascist propaganda pieces about their ideological enemies. smuglord

[–] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

It’s been real funny watching lemmy ppl call users whose views I’ve developed a nuanced understanding of tankies.

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