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[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 202 points 3 days ago

I'm not allowed to work from home and it seriously pisses me off. Whenever I complain about this to my boss, she always gives me shit like "you're a school bus driver".

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 68 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I am in a weird position, as a software developer, I work for a tiny company and they’re against work from home, but they’re absolutely amazing and accommodating in all other areas and I have no complaints.

So I had car issues and was able to work from home 3 days a week, but it still pisses me off that I have to go in those two days. They say it’s so we can communicate and ask for help, but mostly it’s a silent office and we can’t even wear headphones. Often I can go in and if I’m in a mood there is no communication all day long (I am the chatty one and will engage in debates a lot). Yet I’ve had to take a 3 hours public transport route to work (car issues) just to sit there and not talk.

I’m torn because they’re amazing in every other aspect and super understanding about my mental health issues and leaving early and making up time etc. we don’t have targets and are just trusted we will work hard, I struggle as I overthink and put a lot more pressure on myself than my employer does, but I can’t change the way my mind work.

[-] ninekeysdown@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Headphones as a reasonable accommodation for a disability eg ADHD/Autism/etc might be a good option if it applies to you

[-] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Why no headphones? Is management a bunch of Nazis?

[-] pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyz 1 points 13 hours ago

By spreading such usage of the word Nazis you're numbing down the average person's response to someone being called a Nazi, as it becomes a normal thing.

Save the term for people who deserve it

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 days ago

I've once visited an office that was like this. Was a publisher with a big IT department. Large office room, perhaps 40-50 desks. No headphones allowed. I don't remember the reason. I would go crazy, it was not a quiet office.

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[-] coriza@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

People will look at one aspect and say that the job sucks. Truth is, there is no perfect job and only you can tell that it balances out. The way you talk about it really feels like a nice place to work, with the exception of the headphones thing, that is weird. And if you like to chat with coworkers a full remote Job may be kinda hell, it is really easy to feel isolated and not connect with people because it takes more effort like going to audio or video calls to hangout or having to chat over text more

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[-] chakan2@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

They'll hire remote drivers from India soon enough.

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[-] drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Boss calls me (the sole on-site IT person) on a sickday and tells me something important broke and I need to come and fix it (45 minute bus ride one-way). I know exactly what broke and I tell her if she goes into my office and turn my computer on then I can remote in and fix it in literally 5 seconds. She nearly screams at me saying that my contract doesn't allow remote work and I don't remember what exactly was said after this point but it was something along the lines of:

"It won't be fixed for another 5 days then because I'm not coming in today (Thursday, and I don't work Fridays or Mondays)."

"Ok bye"

"bye"

Guess it wasn't important

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

It was quite generous of you to even suggest solving it on a sickday. Boss should have understood.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago

You can always spot the ones who care about the power structures more than the purpose by stupid shit like this.

[-] limelight79@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

After four years of work from home, since the beginning of the pandemic, we'll soon have to start going back in once a week. I know, that's a lot better than many people that have been forced into 5 days a week or similar bullshit, but it's definitely one more day a week than I want to go in. DC area, too, so you know traffic is going to be a nightmare, as always.

I'd even be willing to go in quarterly or whatever for special meetings. But weekly? We've proven we can do this.

They're pushing this whole "hybrid" working and "rethink how you work!" and "it's all about teams!" But they didn't require any sort of coordination on coming into the office for teams, or anything along those lines - it's a free for all. So instead of sitting at home on a call, we're going to be sitting in cubicles on phone calls. It doesn't make any sense.

And even if they had decided teams should coordinate in-office days, my area in particular works with so many different teams that we'd still be remote for most of them. Or in the office every day, which would not go over very well.

But I'm sure the Popeye's (fast food chicken place) across the street will welcome us back. The one that has survived over four years without us. No one I know has ever gone there.

We're going to lose a bunch of people as a result. And hiring is a disaster that isn't likely to be resolved any time soon. It's gonna be a fun few years...

Counting down the days until I can retire. Unfortunately, there are too many, I'll have to deal with this. Or find a completely remote job.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago

I know, that’s a lot better than many people that have been forced into 5 days a week or similar bullshit

I hope for your sake this isn't just their first test followed by an escalating series of demands :-/

[-] limelight79@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Ha, actually they played themselves on that front. I don't want to get into all of the details, but basically there's literally not enough space for all of us to be in on the same day. There used to be, but they shrank the footprint to save money.

Honestly I think the plan from our upper management was to allow a lot of full-time remote working, but that got killed by even higher up people. So, now we have this. I actually think our upper management isn't really the bad guy on this one and are just trying to make the best of a bad situation, dealing with idiotic requirements coming from on high.

I also think there are some artificial factors keeping it at one day a week, for now. It might go up to two at some point in the future, but a lot can happen between now and then. And two days might start running into that space limitation again, and they won't easily be able to expand the footprint - nor will they want to spend the money.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 236 points 3 days ago

As a middle manager in a corporate hellscape, one of my few joys in life is setting logic traps for HR and making them choose between admitting company policy is bullshit or directly instructing me to violate labor laws.

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 59 points 3 days ago

Doing the Lord’s work there, Sonny!

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[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 360 points 3 days ago

The policy is you can only work from home when it benefits the company, not you.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 120 points 3 days ago

I'm learning that the hard way. Started working for this company 2 hours from home,because I could WFH 3 days a week. Now they want me to come in 4 days a week. So I'm looking for a new job now. Which is a shame, because I do like the job.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 123 points 3 days ago

What does your contract say? With this back to work bullshit I made sure my contract explicitly said I was remote.

Doesn't mean they won't change their mind but maybe I'll get severance instead of fired for cause of they have a back to the office push.

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[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 33 points 2 days ago

Which is weird cause the savings in not comming in to center is a win for everyone.

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[-] 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 3 days ago

...you shouldn't have to respond in home hours regardless. Any time you spend on work during your life outside of contract is them stealing your labour.

[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 3 days ago

Many IT jobs require an on-call rotation. Even when not on call, an SME can be called in an emergency. Time spent on call-outs typically either pays overtime or gives comp time. The infrastructure has to keep running, that's just how it is.

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[-] BlueLineBae@midwest.social 240 points 3 days ago

I always refused to put work apps on my personal phone because they would make you agree to some bullshit where they could remote access your phone or potentially wipe it. So I would refuse and say they needed to provide a company phone for me if it was that important. Most companies are either ok with this or provide a phone, except for one company. This was a software company, and literally everything else about this company was a unicorn of a job. But for some reason they wanted me to have slack on my phone and also wouldn't give me a company phone. So I dug up an old phone, reset it to factory settings, and added slack to that so I could say I did it. Then I put the phone away and they never asked about it again. So I really don't know what the point of that was 🤷

[-] classic@fedia.io 127 points 3 days ago

It's less cognitively taxing for me if you just comply with whatever I've decided

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[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 180 points 3 days ago

Our boss was freaking out over people sometimes doing some private calls during work hours and at a certain point absolutely forbade it. So yeah, people would just end the call at 17:00 sharp and switch off the work phone. It took one week before that rule was rescinded.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 101 points 3 days ago

This reminds me of a work-to-rule or a "White Strike." It turns out that every company, even those that supposedly operate off of "unskilled" labor, utterly rely on employees making a ton of judgment calls and often working outside their job description. When employees start working to the letter of their job description, the whole operation quickly grinds to a halt.

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[-] Mojave@lemmy.world 113 points 3 days ago

Man we had someone in the army do this. Army doctrine is either outdated or very accessible to the poor, I don't fuckin know, but you aren't required to have a phone.

So this one weird junior Joe just decided he didn't need a phone. Got rid of it, and as a result never got the information he needed on army shit. I loved him for it, and by the law he was in the right. Can't tell him to get a phone.

Unfortunately I was his team lead, and every time my chain of command decided to put out bullshit last minute information over text I had to tell them to suck it and pvt NoPhone wouldn't be at their surprise formation.

Sometimes for important stuff I would have to drive to the barracks and knock on homies door to let him know there's surprise inspections or piss tests and shit.

The workplace should operate entirely without external communication. It worked since the dawn of man, and it should continue to work until the end of man if we want any semblance of work-life balance.

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[-] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago

I'm on hybrid, but my entire team is all over the world, so I'm just as alone in the office as at home. The only difference is that in the office I'm bound by the train schedule, so I can't take out of hours calls. My coworkers and manager keep petitioning HR to let me work from home full time.

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[-] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago

A previous job of mine wanted people in my team to volunteer for being on call overnight for a week at a time.

No-one did, so they forced us. I emailed all managers involved including HR I said that I would like to opt-out for various reasons like family, mental and physical health, and also that the pay was in no way adequate for what they wanted. Again they pushed, so I replied with I'll do it but would be unavailable most afternoons and evenings with my kids and things they have on. That I also won't be able to answer after going to sleep because I take my mental health very seriously and need quality sleep to function.

So the first night I slept peacefully as I normally do as I have my phone set to go to DND automatically. I got called in because I didn't answer a call that came in last night, I asked when it was, about midnight, and said well that's because I was asleep.

Go to the next 2 mangers up, say the same thing and they say that I need to answer. I explain the email stating that I would be unable to answer calls at many times including when asleep and how no-one replied with that being a problem. One of the managers was like, wait up, you flagged this; yup; can you send me the email chain; yup. Got removed and told I wouldn't need to worry about doing it anymore.

It found a new job shortly after that.

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 80 points 3 days ago

Doing home health was kinda instructive for me in this regard.

The only time you go to the office is to turn stuff in, do inservices/continuing education, or similar. But originally I would answer calls at weird hours because a patient would need coverage, otherwise they wouldn't be calling.

And then the management spent way too much money buying into some Disney corporate policy thing (literally, they paid money to Disney for the program) that changed a ton of rules in bullshit ways that made no sense for home health.

So, the next time they called, I didn't answer. Or the time after that, or the time after that. And, when you're one of three men working for a company that's partially reliant physical strength to be able to do the work needed for some patients, this alarmed my supervisor. She requested a meeting, and I went in. Mandatory meetings were paid though!

At the meeting, it was expressed that answering calls was part of my job. So I asked id I was being paid to sit at home and wait for calls. No, I wasn't "on call". So, you want me on call? No, just to answer when we call you. That's being on call, and we're supposed to get paid for that. No, this is different, we just want you to be available when someone calls out for a difficult patient. Soooo, you want me on call.

This went in circles for a while before I switched gears and directly said that answering calls when not on duty was not in place when I was hired, and that the employee handbook specified that being on call was considered a shift, and would be paid as such, and that maybe I should have been on call any of the dozens of times I did wake my ass up from sleep after workout two or three jobs in the first place, and that I never got paid a dime for doing so, so that was the end of it for me.

The response was that they couldn't stay operating if they paid everyone for being on call instead of us "supporting the company". My response was that maybe they could have if they hadn't shelled out for the Disney crap, or if the previous administrator hadn't been screwing around and embezzling, and that maybe it was time the company supported us.

Not surprisingly, I was one of several employees "let go to streamline services" a few weeks later, right before the company folded entirely.

So, you don't even have to have an office job to get treated like shit! Isn't that a relief? Isn't it?

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[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 109 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

In all of my IT jobs I would have been fired if I had signed into work accounts on my personal phone. It's a pretty big security risk.

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[-] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 3 days ago

Why did you, why would you, ever have work email and Teams on your phone in the first place?

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