It's really not hard to identify why, but billionaires will spend their life savings convincing people that late stage capitalism and oligarchy work.

The new left party that forms in the wake of the Republican implosion will rise out of the growing union movement that is already organizing to address that fundamental problem.

The current Dem standce on immigration is wild.. not the wall is a weird idea.. no they now say trump is just ineffective in building it.

Republicans: "We absolutely will not allow a single bit of progress on this issue unless you give us a wall"

Democrats; "Fine you can have your wall if it means we can at least fix part of the problem now"

Seems like the wild position here are the assholes demanding a wall in order to allow action. They control the House. We have to change that.

I wouldn't mind a new socialist party in the u.s politics.

It'd be great if any of them had a proper ground game for local elections instead of just popping up every 4 years and only hyping a presidential candidate. They look too disorganized to take seriously.

There are vast political differences between elected officials within each of the two main parties. That’s how the nation compensates for the two party system. Change a party from within -it’s absolutely possible and has been done before- instead of pissing and moaning that your little boutique clique “party” isn’t popular.

The Republican party won't go anywhere as long as we have a two party system.

The Democratic party will become the new right wing party. The question is whether the Republican party will survive in a new hyper fascist mode, or a real left wing party will pick up the pieces.

My hope is for the latter, but realistically it'll be the former.

I used to see it that way but now? I doubt it will be that simple. So what if Trump is gone and no other republican leader can fit his shoes? Do they even have to?

Maybe it can be even more beneficial for the republicans to have a dead Trump. They can finally have complete control over his thoughts, his brand, image, his idealogy. With ai technology they can insert a nostalgic idealized version of Trump that he never was. More charismatic, more cohesive, malleable, and eternal. A figure like Jesus, like Mlk, like founding fathers. Who cares the real trump is dead? You can do anything with a base that is so hopelessly lost.

Which will be the optimal outcome

I have to think there's something going on behind the scenes to organize a schism in the GOP, no matter what happens in this election. I think it's unlikely that Liz Cheney and people like her will be able to wrest control of the current Republican party away from the fart sniffers, so they're going to have to split and make a new party.

The outstanding question is "Why haven't they done this already?" Maybe there's just not enough solid support to pull it off ahead of the election, surely because there are a lot of people who are sniffing the farts out of fear, and they don't want to burn that bridge yet.

Pay real close attention after this election. Lindsey Graham is going to show his other face again, and a whole bunch of other politicians will, too. Yes, there needs to be a path to redemption, but that path is going to have to include resignation for the likes of Graham, Vance, McConnell, anyone who supported Trump, then very much didn't, and then supported him again. Such people cannot be entrusted with elected office.

Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.

Yeah, that's definitely a possible scenario. I'm just undecided if I should fear that inevitable power vacuum or just grab some popcorn.

The entire Republican base will just vote red all the way down no matter who is in the ballot so I don’t think there is a scenario where the Republican Party ever dissolves. They could run a monkey for state senate in red districts and it would win office.

you have to admit, it has been satisfying to watch them eat each other

Not so fast. David Duke was saying the quiet part out loud and he was only a fringe candidate. There’s something else going on here, I don’t know what it is exactly, that makes Trump more marketable.

The only things I can think of is that he has had decades in the public eye, and he’s been presented as smart and successful. And also oddly, he reflects a bygone era in America where blue collar union guys had pensions and that this was all blown away by corporate greed and globalization.

And yet somehow, this billionaire who’s known for grift and not paying his workers, somehow became their champion. The whole process has opened my eyes to just how much marketing works on a certain demographic.

His kids are probably waiting in the wings expecting to be future candidates.

I might vote for an Eisenhower Republican. 90% tax on the rich to pay for infrastructure and federal work programs? Sign me up.

Wait that far? I'd have said Reagan.