This also applies to much of the left. It’s because the US is an oligarchy and doesn’t have representation that is proportional
Trump happened because large segments of US voters feel disenfranchised and resentful, as they feel they have been left behind and that their lives have been made worse by the policies of the political establishment and experts. If said political establishment and the experts want to end the Trump movement and prevent something similar from happening again, they're going to have to address the concerns of dissatisfied voters. I don't really think either party knows how to go about doing that.
I think part of the reason for that is there's still significant discussion about what has caused so many Americans to become so unhappy with leadership, and you can't really come up with a solution until you correctly identify the problem. I still don't think the experts have a very good grasp on why Americans are upset. Until they figure it out, they can't come up with a solution, and until they come up with a solution, movements like Trumpism are still very possible.
This also applies to much of the left. It’s because the US is an oligarchy and doesn’t have representation that is proportional
It's really not hard to identify why, but billionaires will spend their life savings convincing people that late stage capitalism and oligarchy work.
Maybe y'all shouldn't have made it so hard for third parties to run.
I wouldn't mind a new socialist party in the u.s politics.
There are vast political differences between elected officials within each of the two main parties. That’s how the nation compensates for the two party system. Change a party from within -it’s absolutely possible and has been done before- instead of pissing and moaning that your little boutique clique “party” isn’t popular.
Reagan talked about 'the big tent' and did everything he could to purge anyone Left of him.
The GOP was ready for Trump for decades. George W. was just Donnie with a better staff around him.
It'd be great if any of them had a proper ground game for local elections instead of just popping up every 4 years and only hyping a presidential candidate. They look too disorganized to take seriously.
It's more fundamental than that. First-past-the-post voting systems inevitably turn into two-party rule. It's built into the foundations of how the American government is voted for.
For federal level, I can agree that the lack of ranked-choice hurts third party chances. Voters see too much risk in not voting for a major party.
That being said, well-coordinated local and state-level can definitely get a higher rate of success and show that there's more to those parties besides political posturing. I've seen more campaigning for a primary for my local sheriff's office this year than I had ever seen for any third party candidate ever at a local level. If the third parties focused on the down ballot, they would have more opportunity to show that they can put forward competent candidates to build trust for higher elected positions.
Most of them are too busy grifting. They're stirring up local funding collecting all the people they can and then getting a bigger payday when the 4-year elections roll around.
You should watch the video I linked, it's only 6 minutes long. The problem is that if you did manage to get more success for a third-party candidate that would be a bad thing. It would mean that the resulting government will be less likely to reflect your positions and ideals than it would if there had been no third-party candidate you supported.
In a first-past-the-post voting system trying to figure out how to make third-party candidates viable is a self-defeating goal. Unless you're focusing on trying to make third-party candidates who appeal to your opponent's voting group more viable, that is. Which is why you keep seeing sneaky donations from right-wing PACs to the Green party and such. The Republicans would love to see the Green party become a more prominent and viable option for left-leaning voters. And likewise, a lot of Democrats are cheering for RFK Jr. to be on the ballot because he draws more support from the right than from the left.
You see the same two-party rule in Canada even tho we have other viable, well-established parties.
Fptp is the problem, but neither of our (or your) major parties want to change the rules because it works for their benefit 50% of the time.
If Trump loses, I don't know that there will be a Republican party. The top people all hate each other and the only thing that unites them is brown-nosing Trump. They will tear the party apart all trying to replace him.
The Democratic party will become the new right wing party. The question is whether the Republican party will survive in a new hyper fascist mode, or a real left wing party will pick up the pieces.
My hope is for the latter, but realistically it'll be the former.
I used to see it that way but now? I doubt it will be that simple. So what if Trump is gone and no other republican leader can fit his shoes? Do they even have to?
Maybe it can be even more beneficial for the republicans to have a dead Trump. They can finally have complete control over his thoughts, his brand, image, his idealogy. With ai technology they can insert a nostalgic idealized version of Trump that he never was. More charismatic, more cohesive, malleable, and eternal. A figure like Jesus, like Mlk, like founding fathers. Who cares the real trump is dead? You can do anything with a base that is so hopelessly lost.
Which will be the optimal outcome
Unless they take the country with them
That only happens if he wins.
Or if their next attempt at murderous insurrection succeeds.
Yes. Yes, we will have to do something about that should that occur.
I have to think there's something going on behind the scenes to organize a schism in the GOP, no matter what happens in this election. I think it's unlikely that Liz Cheney and people like her will be able to wrest control of the current Republican party away from the fart sniffers, so they're going to have to split and make a new party.
The outstanding question is "Why haven't they done this already?" Maybe there's just not enough solid support to pull it off ahead of the election, surely because there are a lot of people who are sniffing the farts out of fear, and they don't want to burn that bridge yet.
Pay real close attention after this election. Lindsey Graham is going to show his other face again, and a whole bunch of other politicians will, too. Yes, there needs to be a path to redemption, but that path is going to have to include resignation for the likes of Graham, Vance, McConnell, anyone who supported Trump, then very much didn't, and then supported him again. Such people cannot be entrusted with elected office.
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.
I'm trying really hard to not be a pessimist right now for what I think are obvious reasons. It's not easy.
Yeah, that's definitely a possible scenario. I'm just undecided if I should fear that inevitable power vacuum or just grab some popcorn.
Popcorn initially, because it's an election loser in the short-term. Long-term, they just need to find another Trump.
The entire Republican base will just vote red all the way down no matter who is in the ballot so I don’t think there is a scenario where the Republican Party ever dissolves. They could run a monkey for state senate in red districts and it would win office.
If Jesus ran as a Democrat and Satan as a Republican, current day Republicans would wonder why god wanted Satan in the white house
Wonder? You give a lot of credit.
I'm saying the Republican party itself will fracture into more than one party. I just don't see them uniting without a cult of personality at this point.
you have to admit, it has been satisfying to watch them eat each other
Stop. Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
I would be a bad Star Trek moderator if I didn't quote Jean-Luc Picard:
There will be a time when you will need to remember that no matter how bleak or unwinnable a situation, as long as you and your crew remain steadfast in your dedication, one to another, you are never ever without hope.
Within a year or two of Trump dying they will have the party back under control and everyone will be taking marching orders from only the megadonors again.
The only reason the maga nutjobs got tontake center stage was Trump saying the horrible shit out loud with the delivery that some people wanted to hear. The fact that nobody has upstaged him is a good sign that there isn't a similar person waiting in the wings to fill his role.
Not so fast. David Duke was saying the quiet part out loud and he was only a fringe candidate. There’s something else going on here, I don’t know what it is exactly, that makes Trump more marketable.
The only things I can think of is that he has had decades in the public eye, and he’s been presented as smart and successful. And also oddly, he reflects a bygone era in America where blue collar union guys had pensions and that this was all blown away by corporate greed and globalization.
And yet somehow, this billionaire who’s known for grift and not paying his workers, somehow became their champion. The whole process has opened my eyes to just how much marketing works on a certain demographic.
There’s something else going on here, I don’t know what it is exactly, that makes Trump more marketable.
He is a professional bullshitter who can say anything with a straight face. It works on a large part of the population, because humans are social creatures who want to hear what they want to hear. They want to be told all their problems will be magically solved and are the fault of someone else.
His kids are probably waiting in the wings expecting to be future candidates.
We have to blow this crazy-ass party up and have it regain its senses
You all going back to Eisenhower years then? The rot has been in the party for a long time, Trump is just the final result, not a cause.
If trump loses? Yeah. They will. He is already going extra senile and has spent the past eight years proving he can't get downballot candidates elected.
Which will get us back to bush era republicans. Basically buying us maybe another decade until they transition from "we need to fight crime and promote family values" to "let's murder some brown people and enslave women" again.
How about not having a party that did everything possible to get us to this place. I want what the dems are now to be as far to the right as this country is willing to go.
While right vs left is overall a useless idea, overall I wan to move more right than trump who I find too centrist. To each their own.
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