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White House Says Democrats Who Oppose Weapons To Israel Are Aiding Hamas (www.huffpost.com)
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Amazing how quickly they gave up on finger wagging over Israel not allowing in aid supplies

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[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 105 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The strategic blunders from the Democrats on all levels is incredible. They're throwing the progressive anti-war libs to the left, they're giving well-meaning libs an experiential crash course in how Hasbara propaganda works.

The way they have been peeling people off of liberalism recently is just remarkable.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i think it's a bubble effect of the democrats who have lost touch with americans.

3 out of the 5 software developer leftists that first introduced me to marxist/leninist theory switched to either becoming a hard core capitalist or keep their mouths shut because of the disgustingly high salaries they get from their software engineering jobs.

[-] _pi@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i think it’s a bubble effect of the democrats who have lost touch with americans.

I don't think they were in touch to begin with. The plain fact is that 2015-2021 everyone who wasn't in MAGA was cosplaying.

[-] Speaker@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Cowards, all. The opportunity to be a class traitor to the worst of all classes is the only reason to even have a software job.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

the worst part for me is that i really like them as people; i aspired to emulate one once in a few ways.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

Identifying your core self is still an accomplishment to be cherished. You've evolved

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

DEFINITELY haven't figured out the core self part yet. lol

but thanks for the kind words nonetheless.

[-] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The way they have been peeling people off of liberalism recently is just remarkable.

The problem is that our "Trump will end democracy if we don't vote against him!" #Resistance media is rapidly transforming into a "Trump is actually cool and good, and we're excited to see what he does next" court full of supplicants. The MSNBC Liberals aren't getting a crash course in how Hasbara works, they're getting an earful of propaganda that they'll inevitably believe.

Liberals are being peeled off, but they're not turning left. They're going to be diverted into "We need to be more fascist if we want to win elections" Bush Era conservatism. The leftists, meanwhile, are going to keep getting the OWS/BLM/anti-Genocide treatment. We're already seeing that with the naked hostility aimed at Sarah McBride. Nevermind the treatment of Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Liberals siding with Fascists, a love story as old as ~~time~~ somewhere in the interwar period.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

The MSNBC Liberals aren't getting a crash course in how Hasbara works

I was thinking more like the well-meaning libs who oppose war or want to see military aid to Israel being stopped.

Being called a Hamas-sympathiser is going to be a slap in the face and I think it's going to make them realise how often Hasbara trolls resort to claiming everything is Hamas. It would be hard to go back to believing the narratives coming out of Israel after a wake-up call like that.

[-] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Being called a Hamas-sympathiser is going to be a slap in the face

Bullying works. This isn't going to make them break from the Liberal Party, its going to make them break from Palestine.

It would be hard to go back to believing the narratives coming out of Israel after a wake-up call like that.

If liberal media can reform Dick Cheney and George Bush inside eight years, they can bring Libs around on Israel within a week of a ceasefire.

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Being called a Hamas-sympathiser is going to be a slap in the face

Bullying works. This isn't going to make them break from the Liberal Party, its going to make them break from Palestine.

I'd say that the election results are a pretty clear indication that bullying like this, in an abstract way, doesn't work at all and that it didn't make people break with Palestine but it made them break with the Democrats.

Imagine you're a well-meaning lib who is pretty progressive and you just want to see a stop to the genocide. You've always been anti-war because war is bad. You think you can change the system from the inside and that the Democrats are capable of reform.

Then the Democratic Party leadership calls you a terrorist because you oppose war (progressives like these are usually pretty strongly opposed to Hamas and view them that way).

I just don't see many people packing up their anti-war, anti-genocide stance in the face of that bullying. I see far more people waking up to the reality of how far right the Dems have shifted and how unwilling they are to reform, of how incapable the whole system is of reform. I just don't see these people facing slander like that any then being like "Welp, I guess I'm pro-war now and it turns out I had it completely backwards on genocide"

It would be hard to go back to believing the narratives coming out of Israel after a wake-up call like that.

If liberal media can reform Dick Cheney and George Bush inside eight years, they can bring Libs around on Israel within a week of a ceasefire.

What makes you think that a ceasefire is on the cards?

[-] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I just don't see many people packing up their anti-war, anti-genocide stance in the face of that bullying

I see plenty of liberals in Houston doing just that. "It's just not a winning issue" and " is too important" get bandied about so regularly...

What makes you think that a ceasefire is on the cards?

Eventually Israel runs out of gas. Their economy is already in the tank and they've got a huge domestic labor crisis.

Also, with the courts hostile to Netanyahu, it doesn't look like Forever War is going to forestall his legal problems any longer.

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 86 points 1 month ago

[-] Weedian@hexbear.net 69 points 1 month ago

Dems being Bush Republicans example #7263627

If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

It's 2004, and not wanting to tear a nation asunder while killing many thousands is seen as terroristic dissent

It's 2024, and not wanting to tear a nation asunder while killing many thousands is seen as terroristic dissent

manhattan

[-] DerRedMax@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Damn. That takes me back in time!

I remember being outraged by that. I went to protests with people who were also outraged by that.

It was a driver for me to go out and find what little media was outraged about it, too, which at the time was Maddow and Majority Report.

Hearing that the Democrats are using the same argument is shocking, because it was plain as day that was not even an argument based on reality. The whole time I thought those people in the media shared that same understanding of reality. Apparently not.

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 1 month ago

If I don't vote, I'm supporting Trump. If I don't want to murder children, I'm supporting Hamas. Maybe if Democrats were able to distinguish between material support and passively existing, they might discover why all the "support" they believe they have keeps turning into fewer and fewer votes.

[-] _pi@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Not supporting the good guy (The Democratic Party) is supporting the oppressor (whoever we're mad at right now).

[-] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

might as well start directly sending aid to them (hamas) if that's the case

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 month ago

“The fact that they didn’t send a formal [Statement of Administration Policy] is a sign that they are too ashamed to put these arguments on White House letterhead,” a Senate aide argued.

🤦

[-] Speaker@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

This palace intrigue brainworm that Amerikkkans have is all the proof that is necessary that this entire cursed empire must be reduced to dust (and there's plenty more proof besides). If a real human being ever says anything like this to me I will rapidly open and close my hand in front of their face and say "huh?" repeatedly until they develop class consciousness.

[-] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

No, stop trying to make the Democrats look cool.

[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

brandon

[-] Maturin@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

I-was-saying

[-] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

Yeah good

[-] miz@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

terrorists-rule

[-] coolusername@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

don't they mean militant wing of Hamas? Most of Hamas are probably just paper pushing gov workers

White House Says Democrats Who Oppose Weapons To Nazis Are Aiding Jews in Polish Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 14 points 1 month ago

No, it's a genocide. They want the civilians to die too

[-] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Ok

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

Do you commend Hamas?

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago

If you don’t support the wanted war criminals of Israel, you support the terrorists they funded and helped bring to power?

Gtfo

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What happens when the ones who can take away the keys are also crazy and drunk?

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

waow-based

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

waow-based

[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Is it controversial to say Hamas > Israel

Like I'm not a fan of Hamas but Israel is so fucked up they could make almost any faction look good by comparison

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I’m a fan of Hamas. Hezbollah, Assad, Ansarallah, Iran and Russia too. Call me Mr. Based

[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I ain't a fan of any countries besides Cuba and Vietnam. But I'm really just starting to learn about the world from a non USA propaganda perspective so 🤷 Iran does seem to be the best player in the Middle East from what I can tell though. Just wish they were still secular like in the 70's

My reasons for disliking the Factions and people you mention is just that they seem to also be right wing repressive and authoritarian. Albeit less so than Israel and what the west would inflict.

Russia is the most surprising of those for me. Seems like Russia is a capitalist oligarchy. What do you think I'm missing out of curiosity. Links to vida or sources would be cool. Looking to learn more.

Idk been lied to so many times that I'll hear out anybody I don't understand.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

It’s critical support, as in I fully support their efforts to win their respective wars due to their anti-imperialist and anti-colonial natures. I don’t have to think a country is perfect to know they should defeat fascist invaders.

Putin pulled Russia out of Yeltsin’s neoliberal-fascist looting fest, nationalized and rebuilt industry that had been looted and stolen, and has saved Syria from ISIS takeover. The fascist coup in Ukraine should have been squashed earlier and harder, but Russia seems to have realized its mistake in going easy on the imperialists and has been forced into a corner.

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