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Summary

The House GOP's new rules package aims to weaken minority party influence while advancing a pro-corporate agenda.

Key provisions include shielding the House speaker from bipartisan accountability and fast-tracking 12 GOP bills without allowing amendments, including measures to sanction the International Criminal Court (ICC) and protect fracking.

Democrats, led by Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.), criticized the package for ignoring economic and social issues like inflation and housing while prioritizing tax cuts for billionaires.

Republicans plan to offset these costs by slashing social programs, sparking warnings of further congressional dysfunction.

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 191 points 1 month ago (10 children)

"The American people did not vote for whatever the hell this is,"

Yeah, actually, they did. Millions of Democrat voters stayed home. Every single state shifted right.

McGovern added, "and you better believe that Democrats will not let Republicans turn the House of Representatives into a rubber stamp for their extremist policies."

You're in the minority party. Republicans have control of all 3 branches of government, and many state governments shifted right.

Simply put, what the fuck are you going to do about it? Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.

And yet they'll still somehow get blamed for everything that's coming.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

No shortage of people that just stupidly (or with an agenda) blame dems for the shitty republicans. People on lemmy saying Reagan was Carter’s fault, for example.

That’s how abusers think. “Look what you made me do.” Look how you made me stay home and not vote so now we have trump.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (6 children)

People on lemmy saying Reagan was Carter’s fault, for example.

More recent example: People on Lemmy continuing to blame the return of Trump on Biden and Harris. Harris wasn't the perfect candidate, so of course the only reasonable thing to do was stay home and let Trump return to power. I mean, Liz Cheney showed up on stage to support her that one time. What else were voters supposed to do? This was all Harris's fault, dammit!

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not their fault in the sense that Harris was a bad candidate or Biden was a bad president compared to his peers. They were both fine but they largely stuck to early 2000s platforms (or at least could not overcome that perception) and people clearly want something different. Many can tell that the trajectory of the past isn't going to work out for them. Trump isn't a good response to that but Democrats are perceived to be categorically opposed to acknowledging the sentiment and adjusting course. It's not exactly rational but it is understandable that people in a bad spot aren't particularly concerned about things getting worse because from their perspective things are already pretty bad.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It’s not exactly rational but it is understandable that people in a bad spot aren’t particularly concerned about things getting worse because from their perspective things are already pretty bad.

Here's the part where I have to strongly disagree with the rationale.

I get it. You've (proverbially speaking) been in a hole for 4 years, and all you're being offered is a rickety old ladder that looks like it'll fall apart as soon as you go up a couple of steps. I can understand why the guy saying he might drop a nice shiny new ladder might look more appealing. But that's not what's going on here.

The guy saying he might offer you a shiny new ladder is also the same guy who was responsible for throwing you into this hole 4 years ago in the first place. And in fact, he's not even holding a ladder this time. He's promising to throw you a shovel and telling you to dig deeper.

That's why I disagree. It would be one thing if Trump were throwing around the usual empty GOP promises. But Trump, Vance, and Musk have all come out and repeatedly said they were going to impose hardships on the poor, they were going to impose tariffs on virtually everything, and acknowledged that prices would likely continue to go up, not down.

I understand wanting someone offering a better ladder if you're in a hole. But my god, the last thing you do is vote for the guy with the shovel.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

That’s how abusers think. “Look what you made me do.” Look how you made me stay home and not vote so now we have trump.

Bingo. So many donvict supporters pulled this shit when donvict "won" in 2016 - "Obama and Hollywood made me do this. You deserve tRump." And yes, that is totally abuser type of talk.

It is expected that the demons on the right - like Tucker Carlson [1] - will use this kind of talk, but what is so damned infuriating is when the Enlightened Centrists (TM) and the "liberal media" say it as well.

[1] Tucker was saying that at some point, he may have to turn to fascism because of what the left Made Him Do, because "too woke" or something.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And they'll continue shifting right, blocking a meaningful progressive agenda, and promote neoliberal "nothing will fundamentally change" policy until they are completely consumed/eliminated by the fascist plutocracy.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The republicans have held the minority many times and obstructed the fuck out of our government. If Dems really care they can do a lot to prevent shit in congress.

We will see how much they actually care in the next 2 years

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

We will see how much they actually care in the next 2 years

It's a show. The only thing established party leadership cares about on either side is lining their pockets. The longer they keep us arguing about their disfunction, the more they rob from us. One class. Working class.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's easy to obstruct when you have any 1 of the 3 (house of reps, Senate, or presidency). They have none. The only tool they have is the filibuster and we'll see what happens there.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

It's also easy to obstruct if you don't care about having a functioning government at the end of the day.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

The only tool they have is the filibuster and we’ll see what happens there.

This will be gone the nanosecond it becomes inconvenient.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.

Jokes on the Republicans-- Democrats like to watch [their party get effed]. So republicans are giving the democratic leadership exactly what it wants. We win again.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Democrats have exactly zero power outside of sitting back and watching.

Good news! That's what they'd be doing if they had power too!

/s

We need a DNC chair that's not afraid to normalize primaries against Dem incumbents.

Otherwise someone in Pelosi's district for example has no say in their representative, a bad incumbent would just deptess turnout until they die in office or a Republican flips the seat.

When an incumbent is defended no matter what and has millions in dirty money from the last general it's not a fair primary.

And for Dem voters, active primaries turn into increased general turnout because people are invested in the process.

The issue is the DNC has been run by people who put "party loyalty" above all else, which sounds OK until you realize the loyalty isn't to voters, it's to donors.

"Blue no matter who" doesn't work on Dem voters when they didn't have any say in the candidate. It's not uniting, it's blindly following. And Republicans will always be better at that.

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[–] Bibbiliop@lemmy.world 109 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But they did vote for this. Whenever I saw Trump speak, he always emphasized on how he will do tax breaks to the big corps. He never proposed a solution on how to help the working class people.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

His idea of "helping the working class" consists of tariffs that don't work the way he says they do and a very likely catastrophic mass deportation program.

And people did vote for those somehow.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Less than half of all eligible voters voted. Yes, non voters essentially voted for Trump but it’s not the same thing as literally voting for and endorsing the dumb demented fat fascist.

The majority of eligible voters are just morons that have been successfully distracted and confused (because they’re so dumb).

There is value in the distinction, even tho that value may be quite small in context

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Non voters are even more dumb than Trump voters... at least Trump voters understand the very simple fact that there is power in voting.

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[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 93 points 1 month ago (54 children)
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago

Right? Like, this is who we are, and who we are is stupid and easily manipulated.

[–] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

You don’t get to vote outside of your own state for senators or representatives. Voting in your state doesn’t change the fact that other states have different priorities, and sometimes it feels like they’re just completely out of touch. My state has a Democratic majority in almost every part of our government, yet we’re still stuck with a president and federal government that most people here didn’t want or vote for. It's frustrating because the system lets other states have so much power in choosing the president, even when it doesn't reflect the will of people in places like mine.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 80 points 1 month ago (29 children)

A whole lotta dipshits voted for lower egg prices, or stayed home, voted their useless protest vote or outright voted for donvict, because "genocide joe" or whatever.

But we are all going to get this instead, I guess. It's not like many normal Americans were not warning them...Gaza and egg prices will be unaffected by donvict, maybe made worse by his fumbling idiocracy.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 72 points 1 month ago

Yes they did vote for it. They chose to ignore it because it was less important to them than [insert single issue] and they have blinders bolted onto their faces.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They absolutely did vote for this and sat on their asses and also didn't vote and voted for this.

Fuck you Americans, you wanted it, now we all get your shitty choices.

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hey man i didn't vote for the assholes

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, the American people did.

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[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

Welcome to the kingdom of north America. United States is dead, this is the new fiefdom, and king Elon and chancellor Trump don’t give a fuck what we think or want.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

yes. yes, they did.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We didnt vote for a bottomless pit of our tax money to fund a racist-far rightwing genocide against Palestinians so Israelis can steal their land, either.

But here we are.

McGovern is cashing AIPAC's checks and voting how they say, so he knows exactly how this stuff works-- No need to play stupid. Eat a bag of ass, Rep. McGovern.

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[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Oh yes, they did. They voted for propaganda. Everything else is gravy.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
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[–] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

Yes they did.

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