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[–] sxan@midwest.social 44 points 6 days ago (6 children)

So, funny thing: a person's body language may or may not tell you something about what they're feeling, but it absolutely has an impact on how you perceive them. When you get advice to make eye contact, or not cross you arms, or ball your hands into fists and cock your arm (no, dude, I wasn't being aggressive; body language theory is such bullshit), it's saying less about what your internal mental state and more about how you're non-verbally communicating to others.

The bullshit part about body language isn't that it's not valid, because it is. The bullshit part is that there's some key that let's you interpret it unambiguously.

Some people avert their eyes when they lie. Some when they're disinterested. Some because they have social anxiety. I do it because I simply can't think clearly when I'm staring into someone's eyes, because I'm too busy drinking their souls. But when someone is talking and you avoid eye contact, whatever your reasons, they will tend to feel as if you aren't interested.

Anecdote time! The aunt of a friend was a local politician when Bill Clinton was running for re-election, and he stopped in town, gave a speech and mingled, so she got to meet him. She said his most amazing characteristic was that, when you were taking to him, you felt as if you were the only person in the room. He had no distractions, his eyes didn't wander to more important people, he wasn't thinking about other, more important things: when he talked to you, he had all of his attention focused on you, and was only listening to and talking to you.

That's what I think of when I think of effective body language. Regardless of what really was going on in Clinton's head, when he talked to someone, he was able to make them feel as if that's all he was doing: listening to and talking to them.

[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Lol your aunt just wanted to fuck Bill Clinton and you turned it into a life lesson on body language.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 13 points 6 days ago

Oh, come on... everyone wanted to fuck Bill Clinton. Don't be shy.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago

Funnily enough, I feel like in most social situations people would think I was insane or overfocused on them if I kept steady eye contact - which I easily could. But I consciously decide to let my eyes wander every now and then to let them feel less pressure. Because honestly I doubt that the cashier or my daughter's kindergarten teacher wants me to think that I talk to them like they are the only people in the room and I am 100% focused on them. I especially prefer looking "to the side" when I listen because I am way too scared for people to think I am a maniac who wants to make them my whole world.

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey bro whatever you're talking about can't be that much more important than this angry birds level, keep talking I can multi-task

[–] sxan@midwest.social 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There's only one thing more important than Angry Birds, and that's the factory must grow.

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Havent touched factorio yet

[–] sxan@midwest.social 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I can't decide whether to encourage you and ruin another life, or warn you away so that you can retain the opportunity of time for healthy relationships, sunlight, and bathing.

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Haha the fact you think I do any of those now is hilarious (eyes my 6k hours in cs and 4k in rocket league)

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

No idea why you were downvoted. Solid analysis!

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

And as you see you didnt say you are a body language expert and you seem like one so i guess the comic was right.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Fuck what others think. Your perception of my body is your problem. Not mine. I'm not trying to coerce people to do what I want like a politician.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago

Atlas shrugged, huh?

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 178 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

If their eyes do that, they might be autistic.

Source: am autistic.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

ND salesman checking in. Yep, I hate this lie.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I went to an alternative school for a bit, and one of the “behaviors” I would get punished for was not making eye contact. I still don’t feel comfortable with it.

[–] pigeonholedpoetry@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Everybody says they’re autistic.

I know, right? I wish everyone could experience what us autism enjoyers live with everyday.

Living with autism is so fun that many of us are or have been depressed for long periods, some even considering suicide.

[–] CanaryWhiskey@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Or socially awkward or anxious

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[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 54 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My eyes always do this and I was diagnosed with ADD as a child after an IQ test. Teachers before always accused me of being dishonest and I got into all sorts of trouble because of it.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I grew up around a lot of pathological liars, and still have two in my life. I detect it so quickly. It's not like the kind of lying I do, pathological lying is compulsive and sometimes pointless. It has nothing to do with body language, it's all verbal clues.

I have a really good friend now that I would have written off as a pathological liar. But I had to be around him because we kept getting assigned together. What happened was once he detected that I don't care about machismo or if he could beat me in a fight, he stopped lying because he was no longer trying to impress me.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago

a lot of people still read me as dishonest

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 30 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Try reading to the final panel.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They can't. There were eyes in that panel, and therefore their eyes looked away.

I did. What I said still applies.

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[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Came here to say this. It's so hard to look at someone in the eyes.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't know where to look! It's so awkward.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago

Bridge of their nose

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[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 75 points 1 week ago

Had me ready to rant until the last frame... well played.

[–] secret300 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I've never heard averting eye contact means that. I do it all the time because I'm scared of making eye contact not because I'm disinterested or dishonest

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 16 points 6 days ago

I think that's the joke

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 week ago

In some cultures, direct eye contact is actually aggressive and disrespectful. Kind of jarring when it happens when you come from a culture where eye contact means you're paying attention...

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 22 points 1 week ago

The thing about body language is that it's always context specific. Yours is a common reason in a lot of people who avoid eye contact, especially with strangers. However, if someone who usually doesn't avoid eye contact suddenly does it, then it's often because they're disinterested or dishonest. Or just nervous or stressed. I don't know. Maybe I'm full of shit too, but I don't call myself an expert.

[–] randomname01@feddit.nl 50 points 1 week ago

What’s disappointing is that body language can definitely help to determine how people are feeling or what they are thinking, but the people who are into it the most just seem to forget it’s not a foolproof method to completely determine the truth.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Youtube Title: "Top CIA agent reveals TOP TEN telltale signs a SUSPECT is LYING"

Thumbnail: a person doing normal things like... scratching head... or touching face

🙄

Also fuck those "crime stories" youtube channels where the narrator keep mentioning the suspect's "body language" like if its indicative of anything.

Like bruh, they already read the results of the case, of course they know that the suspect is guilty/innocent, that "body language" is just hindsight.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Watching American true crime is painful when we are used to the UK system. Hang on you used a fucking polygraph? Are you actually serious? May as well just go "yeah that guy is giving me bad vibes, so I told him what to say to confess". Meanwhile in the UK they look for actual evidence and can't just tell you what to say to make a confession to something you didn't do.

Stuff like "You said you were at home and have never met them, this evidence shows your DNA on the victim. How can you explain that? "

[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

It is pretty terrible when I watch an American docu and am surprised when a detective/cop or team seems to genuinely care and have a desire to help. So many are horrible people. Audit the Audit is a good one for putting those types on blast.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

I have no concept of a law enforcement agency that does anything outside of try to coerce those society has deemed "problematic" into creating additional problems for themselves.

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[–] tooclose104@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just don't know what to do with my hands most of the time and sometimes shoulder pain...

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Shoulder pain. I tuck my hands under my arms in such a way to kinda prop my shoulders into a position of comfort. Pretty much everything I do is just looking for the position of comfort all the time. I get some anxiety like most people from time to time, but my mannerisms are for every situation. Comfort is key.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 17 points 1 week ago

This comic is perfect. I was starting to get annoyed after the second panel and it did exactly what I was thinking.

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