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[–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

What if I just have a hard on for the Soviet subway?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 107 points 1 week ago (12 children)

The culture shift is stark sometimes when you watch old stuff.

On the other hand, don't let them turn that into an excuse. You know what dealt with trans rights in a pretty honest, raw, and understanding way, in the mid 1980s? Fucking Hill Street Blues. One of the cops gets together with a woman, he's happy to be with her, and then the other cops start giving him hell for it because she used to be a man. He gets disgusted and angry, goes over to her place, and she lectures him about it and sets him straight, tells him to figure out if he wants to be with her, but don't try to turn who I am into some kind of thing I did to you, or make me feel bad about it. He sort of accepts it, because she clearly has a point, and that's the end of the episode.

Hill Street Blues, man.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I had a pretty sheltered childhood because I remember lots of good shows with a lot less of those issues. I watched a lot of sci-fi though, which IME tends to be a bit more forward-thinking. Not super surprising if you think about it

Doctor who had every type of queer back in the mid-late 2000s. From a trans "last human" to lesbian aliens

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Doctor who had every type of queer back in the mid-late 2000s. From a trans "last human" to lesbian aliens

Wait, that "bitchy trampoline" was trans? How is that even possible with so few body parts left?

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

In her introduction episode she makes reference to "when I was a little boy"

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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One of Al Pacino’s best movies, Dog Day Afternoon, is still a very relevant movie to this day and was released in 1975.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fun fact: the term was literally invented by the British tabloid press to explain how (football superstar and husband of Victoria "Posh Spice" Beckham) David Beckham could wear a sarong without being secretly gay.

I wish I was making it up but that's genuinely the origin of the term 🤦

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 93 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Metrosexual 2033, Metrosexual Last Light, and Metrosexual Exodus

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And the VR title, Metrosexual Awakening

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

When I was growing up “f!!!ot” wasn’t even seen as a cuss word, it was just a burn you called your friends all the time. We didn’t really think about it until I was 16 and one of our friends came out as gay. My whole friend group kind of had it click at the same time that 1. We didn’t care that he was gay and 2. It was probably pretty fucking rude to call everything we didn’t like “g!y” and call eachother “f!g” as an insult. I think that realization happened for a lot of people who had gay friends in my generation, and it’s part of what helped lead to the level of acceptance and support the LGBT community has now.

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 56 points 1 week ago

Asian dude who went to high school in the 90s.

We were constantly called metro or straight up gay because we dressed like BTS before BTS was born.

But they called us that in a hateful way.

Ya 90s high school sucked for minorities.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 51 points 1 week ago

Me in the 2000s: No lotion, no conditioner, no umbrella, no scarf. Just ashy skin, nasty hair, and choking on the rain and cold.

Not because I was afraid of being made fun of, but because I was stupid and gross.

You young GenZ homies knowing how to groom are the real champs.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 49 points 1 week ago

I used to get called gay because I rolled the sleeves up on my shirt. Also because I worked with a gay guy and occasionally had lunch with him, maybe half a dozen times a year. The odd thing is that I had a girlfriend (same one 22 years later) who these idiots knew about.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Wait, shorts were gay? Does that include cargo shorts? Cuz there were a lot of cargo shorts at the time.

Source: used to wear cargo shorts back then. I still do, but I used to too.

[–] jdeath@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago (7 children)

the shorts part makes no sense. everyone wears shorts

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

No they mean a certain type of shorts that end above the knees. Not the shorts that are basically three quarters pants. The shorter they were the gayer you’d be.

Gay:

Not gay:

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ohh, I distinctly remember that showing your knees was gay. But not as gay as bending over to pick up a pencil without bending your knees for it. It meant you wanted it up the ass then and there, there was no other conceivable reason.

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[–] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

It was only if they fell above the knees that made you gay. If they fell below the knee or were basketball shorts, you were fine.

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[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can't even wear my chartreuse short-shorts with JUICY printed on the butt without people thinking I'm gay

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

how insanely homophobic the early 2000's were

Me as a Gen X'er who lived during the 80's and 90's and witnessed the absolute rage hatred for gay and trans people during that time.
(¬_¬)

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[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

This is weird. The 90's were so homophobic it was normal. The people who were saying "it's ok to be gay" were considered fringe and extreme. This is the decade where it was subversive and radical for gay people to "come out of the closet".

In the 80's, people lost their jobs and there were news specials to talk about this hidden side of society that nobody knew about. In the 80's a significant amount of people were saying "yeah Aids is bad, but it's punishment for the gays so not really that bad..."

Jump to the 2000's and being gay was becoming a normal and open thing and society was adjusting to this idea. The liberal half of the country was already on board and saying "this is ok and normal" and the conservative/religious side of the country was still trying to hold on to their laws to punish and criminalize gay sex.

My point is that the 2000's were the good days and the 90's and 80's were the dark days of homophobia. Pointing back at the 2000's and saying "WOW, LOOK AT HOW THEY TREATED GAY JOKES" really misses how massively far we came in a few decades and how much worse it was even a decade before that.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The 00s was still pretty homophobic in spite of small steps that you mentioned. I grew up in 00s and I remember the kids would casually use the word gay to dismiss something they don't like. Then when I was adolescent, it's a social death sentence to be rumoured as a gay person.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 32 points 1 week ago

Before we had been introduced, my wife’s BFF told her I might be gay because I like opera.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hell the 2000's were bad - but it was just an extension to decades, if not centuries of homophobia. Watch the first 5 minutes of Eddie Murphy's RAW to see what was socially acceptable to say in the late 70's, early 80's.

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[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Was a mid 2000s hipster wearing skinny jeans and bright colors. Non hipster girls thought I was gay. Honestly frat bros were generally more pleasant and if they thought I was gay never said anything and just handed me a beer.

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[–] dumples@midwest.social 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I been watching some movies and TV shows from the early 2000s as a nostalgia trip with my wife and man there were some terrible lessons. We talked about the homophobia and transphobia but the misogyny, body image and sexualization of teens. The skin women being called fat with the fashion that only looked good on thin thin thin women. The insistence that there was nothing worse than being a virgin. (While the schools were doing an abstinence only education BTW). The countdown clocks to when every female celebrity turned 18 everywhere. It's surreal to think that message was everywhere.

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[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have a degree in musical theatre and am a member of a music oriented fraternity. The fraternity was called "the gay" fraternity by the typical frat bro organizations within the last decade. Its not just relegated to the early part of the 2000s.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The gay theatre kid has been a stereotype forever, but they literally had to invent a word to describe guys who showered and wore something that wasn't a T-shirt because that was enough for even women to think you were gay. The homophobia was so bad back then that you could possibly lose your job if people thought you were gay because you used hair gel and dressed well.

The 90s and 2000s were something else.

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[–] match@pawb.social 26 points 1 week ago (11 children)

y'all remember what they called white people who enjoyed hiphop

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[–] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 25 points 1 week ago (6 children)

People who think 2000s was homophobic would not have survived high school in the 80s lol. No like literally they would kill you.

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Oh, and rape was funny. We were supposed to laugh at victims of rape, especially men being eaped in prisons, but occasionally women being raped as well.

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[–] drthunder@midwest.social 19 points 1 week ago

Every time I come across forum posts from the 2000s I lose a little bit of nostalgia for that period of time. The casual bigotry was fucking everywhere.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That take seems a bit inaccurate.

Metrosexual meant going above & beyond in male beauty care (a pretty low bar): going to a salon to get manicures & pedicures, maybe apply foundation & eyeliner, manscaping. Possibly wearing those low-heel shoes that show the ankles without socks.

I also remember the words fag and like being ambiguous such that in written contexts I'd sometimes see the clarification good kind of fag to mean homosexual in contrast to an insult directed at someone the insulter dislikes (for being pretentious, aggravating, annoying or whatever). In speech, the distinction was often understood from tone & context, so someone could be a fag (homosexual) yet not an effing fag (detestable), and their company might be absolutely welcome for that reason. An insulter would usually pile on imagery of the subject performing homosexual acts as the recipient of such insults typically disapproves portrayals of themselves that way. The insult was a way to puncture egos & authorities claiming a traditionally masculine image. It wasn't particularly effective against out & proud homosexuals or people who weren't homophobic. While fag wasn't always an insult, however, bigots & religious zealots often drew no distinction, either.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The millennials spearheaded the LGBT rights, but we're also the ones who had been trans- and homophobes growing up in 90s and 00s, with or without realising it.

Character development, I guess?

[–] CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Spearheaded the LGBT rights?

Some of us literally battled it out in the streets in the 80s and 90s. People fucking died. We were expelled from our families.

It's hard not to take offense to your comment. Millennials did not spearhead shit. You were GIVEN the opportunity to be yourselves.

edit: Don't think that I don't appreciate that we still have boundaries to push. The war against sexuality isn't over, and the old warriors are still here. We just don't make as much noise these days.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, saying spearhead is a wrong choice of word. I didn't mean to downplay the previous generations of lgbt rights activists, like Harvey Milk. I suppose what I mean is that millenials are the ones who have finally made lgbt acceptance come to fruition.

[–] CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Here's what many people don't understand. Millennials and the younger generations are not more diverse. They didn't make it popular. Sexual diversity has always existed.

The difference is that by the time you came around generations previous had been fighting for the right to exist. Those that didn't have the ability or desire to fight for themselves simply remained 'in the closet' (a phrase I'm not fond of). But we made a TON of progress in the 80s and 90s so by the time you came along people were finally able to TRY and understand. Before that it wasn't really even a question of if you would be accepted. You knew you weren't. Again, millennials were GIVEN the opportunity to be accepted by those that came before them, quite possibly even close family members who they never realized fought for those rights even when they would never get them.

If you need a specific example to get it... My brother has a child that is non-binary. They get to have a relationship with their grandparents (my parents) ONLY because my parents understand now that refusing to accept would mean the loss of the relationship completely. If I had not made the sacrifices I did back then, that child would not have had the benefit of loving grandparents. In fact I'm often jealous because by the time my parents realized that they were wrong, it was too late for me. The damage had already been done. I will never know what it's like to have a family, to talk to adult siblings about growing up. I'm still on the outside because my siblings were too young to really know what happened. To dig all of that up now would only damage their relationships and why would I do that? I know what it's like to not have any support networks.

You should be happy with the freedom you were born into. I'm happy for your generation. I would go back and do it again.

And one of my biggest fears is that I might have to.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

It's hard not to take offense to your comment. Millennials did not spearhead shit. You were GIVEN the opportunity to be yourselves.

As a Millennial hard agree there. The old guard had to deal with mobs running the bars, institutions letting them die and in select places forming militia to prevent people from going out and beating queer people for fun. Millennials aren't the spearhead, we're like mid shaft of the spear at best.

That being said we're all gunna have to go back to the hardcore roots if we want to uphold the civil rights wins of the past. This all is gunna get messy.

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[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

huh. I always just figured metrosexual just meant someone who really loved public transit.

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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I used to be called a faggot (slur for gay) in this era and still now by some of my more monkey brained friends for using an umbrella when it rained.

Like it’s gay to not want to get wet and feel icky all day 😂.

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[–] MooseTheDog@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I remember in school we kids had 'gay' tests we would do on each other. Depending on how you checked your nails or shoe for dirt, stuff like that.

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