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To many historians, the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century CE has always been viewed as the end of the ancient world and the onset of the Middle Ages, often improperly called the Dark Ages, despite Petrarch's assertion. Since much of the west had already fallen by the middle of the 5th century CE, when a writer speaks of the fall of the empire, he or she generally refers to the fall of the city of Rome. Although historians generally agree on the year of the fall, 476 CE, and its consequences for western civilization, they often disagree on its causes.

Unlike the fall of earlier empires such as the Assyrian and Persian, Rome did not succumb to either war or revolution. On the last day of the empire, a barbarian member of the Germanic tribe Siri and former commander in the Roman army entered the city unopposed. The one-time military and financial power of the Mediterranean was unable to resist. Odovacar easily dethroned the sixteen-year-old emperor Romulus Augustalus, a person he viewed as posing no threat.

Romulus had recently been named emperor by his father, the Roman commander Orestes, who had overthrown the western emperor Julius Nepos. With his entrance into the city, Odovacar became the head of the only part that remained of the once great west: the peninsula of Italy. By the time he entered the city, the Roman control of Britain, Spain, Gaul, and North Africa had already been lost, in the latter three cases to the Goths and Vandals. Odovacar immediately contacted the eastern emperor Zeno and informed him that he would not accept that title of emperor. Zeno could do little but accept this decision. In fact, to ensure there would be no confusion, Odovacar returned to Constantinople the imperial vestments, diadem, and purple cloak of the emperor.

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[–] Moss@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Odovacar immediately contacted the eastern emperor Zeno and informed him that he would not accept that title of emperor. Zeno could do little but accept this decision. In fact, to ensure there would be no confusion, Odovacar returned to Constantinople the imperial vestments, diadem, and purple cloak of the emperor.

What a fucking baller move. Saying "nah I'm not taking over your empire, I'm destroying it"

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Before federation i would have thought this was a struggle session lol

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Funny that Odovacer and his successors kept roman culture and systems in place. This didn't change until the Justinian Conquests turned Italy into a wasteland and then did nothing to improve it.

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (6 children)

There's an argument to be made that the western Roman state continued to exist until Justinian killed it, and that the traditional dating of Romulus Augustulus' reign marking the end of the Western Roman empire is really just historians' unconscious acceptance of Justinian's propaganda.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But why is this Baldur character guarding a gate?

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hot historical take; the whole "well technically the Roman Empire survived for another 1000 years" has always struck me as the height of cope, especially after the Byzantine Iconoclasm

If you took a random Roman from 200 AD and transported him to 1300 AD Constantinople, they'd be like "wtf"

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[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Weirdest historical fact no one talks about:

A small number of Roman citizens lived to hear about the Americas

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