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military members should be bullied. when one walks into your place of business and asks for a military discount say count dis dick

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 66 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Hopefully trans people who were trained in the military don't use that knowledge against their government.

They certainly shouldn't use their training to seek out and train trans civilians! That would be terrible.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 40 points 3 months ago (4 children)

This has been and will continue to be my line on this issue. Are trans people who served in the US military criminals and morally reprehensible? Absolutely. Do they exist at a unique intersection of having important skills for the revolutionary struggle, and having a marginalized identity that orients their energy in the right direction? Also yes, at least if the left can capitalize on them instead of liberal opportunists. The tricky thing is drawing the connection between their oppression and the historical process of imperialism which they have contributed to but could help destroy.

[–] 2812481591@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

how much does the left current capitalize on gathering resources for the militant overthrow of the government? if people were talking like this is another context it would be disregarded as larp, but with soldiers, it's suddenly considered serious to imagine what benefits they could bring to a guerilla warfare campaign. mfw the Special Forces commando that the Mutual aid collective was able to recruit suggests allocating $9 billion to pay local partner's salaries, spend $500 million on catering for the contractors, and then fire a $2 million dollar missile at a truck seen transporting water near known police affiliated bases.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Obviously not top brass (although people with knowledge of military history and tactics are always useful). But knowing how to organize a division, understand military logistics, that type of concern has historically been very useful in any armed struggle.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

All the US military knows how to do is blow their money in the most inefficient way imaginable and lose to insurgents. People here grossly underestimate how:

  1. Most people in the military work in logistics and lack real combat experience, in which case they functionally bring nothing to the table that a generic worker couldn't bring as well. I met so many vets whose entire years of service boils down to "I moved boxes from point A to point B" or "I drove and repaired trucks" or "I sat on a desk and read emails." You know, like any other generic job.

  2. The people who actually have combat experience are either serial killers who get off on the warcrimes they've committed, complete drones who do as they're told, or people with horrible PTSD who need our help more than we need theirs. In the way, this makes sense. If you're send out to commit warcrimes, the serial killers and drones will leave relatively unscathed and sleep like a baby while normal people will be haunted by what they've witnessed and committed for the rest of their days.

[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Were most of the forces of the Russian civil war all former imperial soldiers?

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago

Conscripts vs volunteers. Self-selects for ideology making it less of a base for proletarian revolution

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[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I really really want to teach trans people how to do BJJ, judo, and muay thai for self defense. If they like Melee they'll LOVE BJJ. 3 new guards will be developed by the end of the first month.

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think any martial arts is helping me.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

You're going to encounter sparingly few situations where martial arts are the difference maker, especially compared to apologizing when it's not your fault or removing yourself from the situation. Your problems don't go away. But it's an insurance policy - if shit hits the fan I cling to my BJJ[1]. If you encounter someone who has a personal problem with you and you're fortunate enough sweep them from bop to toddom because they have no balance (nobody ever does) you can run away. You go from hopeless where you cannot conceive of getting them to fuck off to a little hope in knowing what it would look like to assert your will. The next day and every day for the next month you'd never skip a class. In my opinion in minecraft in a not legal advice sort of way - but it is financial advice.

[1] I have a fun story where punches weren't working in a dream so I went for a wrestling take down and started grappling which worked

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[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 62 points 3 months ago (3 children)

My distaste for the military is so often immediately met with the argument that people join the torture factory with their torture degree to escape poverty.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 64 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I take the badempanada line on this: so what! We wouldn’t accept someone becoming a cop or a prison guard to escape poverty, why should we do the same for troops?

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is my line too. It’s more morally acceptable imo to turn to straight up robbing people’s houses to escape poverty than to join the military.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hell, it's more moral to sell drugs like crack and heroin than it is to join an imperialist military. At least everyone involved is there because they want to be.

Obviously, you shouldn't sell drugs because you're taking advantage of addiction. You're also complicit in whatever activities your criminal organization takes part in, whether that's contract killing or pimping. That's how low the bar is in comparison to being a troop. But no one who's in the mafia is under any illusions about what it is they do. Trying to convince Americans "Hey, maybe your friends deserved to get shot by the Vietcong," is a fool's errand.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

somehow i grew up poor without even once being tempted to sign up as a mercenary for corporations to kill random brown people

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Hmm sounds like you’re a superhuman with obscene standards we can’t possibly use to judge the poor widdle imperialism facilitators

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

still a very prevalent myth for some reason. Most US military recruits actually come from the middle class: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military

[–] ReadMoreBooks@lemmy.zip 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The data in that report shows that 83% of the military is from households that earn less than $87.9k. The median household income when this was published was $80.6k.

You been deceived by a think tank full of literal government agents.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Never discuss "the middle class". It's not materialist and whatever discussion centers upon it will lead nowhere useful.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

Scabs also cross the picket line to "escape poverty."

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 56 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

lol back when i worked at a restaurant i "accidentally" charged cops more, when they noticed i just played dumb but most of the time they didn't you just have to pull the "thanks for your service" card. i called it the pig tax.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 56 points 3 months ago

Trans people can't help serving, it'd be like asking a gay man in the '10s not to slay

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 53 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

100% correct

Hot take: Banning trans people from the imperial military is a good thing that protects my trans comrades from becoming war criminals and also has a chance of radicalizing trans people who are already in the military to not be evil.

I want as many groups banned from serving in the evil empire’s military as possible. Bring back don’t ask don’t tell and go stricter. Hell, ban black people from the military, I’m sure that won’t cause any issues for capabilities.

It’s a double win, it’s protects the people who I care about being protected from the abuse of being a US soldier, and makes the imperial military less competent.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago

That would be so, so funny if Trump and the GOP banned everyone except cishet, WASP men from joining the military.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Banning trans people from the military is good strategically, and will cause misery. Proletarianization of scientists is good strategically, and will cause misery. I mean, that's just contradiction for you unfortunately.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Will it cause misery? Acutely in some places obviously, but I think overall banning any group of people from serving in the US military directly decreases the overall amount of misery in the world.

It protects the people who were banned from the trauma of being in the military, it protects the victims of the empire from being killed by those people, who is becoming more miserable? Some trans higher ups in the military? I don’t really care about people losing their jobs as managers at the Murder and Torture Factory

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[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 50 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I love turning down people that try to claim military discounts at my job. They always try to get me to double-check/give them a discount anyway (I couldn't even if I wanted to). Not one has said "oh ok nevermind"

[–] Weedian@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Claim their proof is fake and they're stealing valor

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

I'd respect the stolen valor guys more tbh, if some dude came in with a medal stack covering his whole chest claiming to be the first SEAL-Ranger-DELTAforce-Spaceforce Commando I'd give him anything he wanted.

[–] dragongloss@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

let me check in the back for those military discounts

bathroom break time catgirl-happy

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

"oh darn, looks like we're fresh out, best I can do is spit in your food while you can't see"

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 37 points 3 months ago

FTM (Fuck The Military)

[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

agreed, but pretty funny though that trans people were disproportionately higher level officers, so now in addition to the recruitment crisis at the grunt level there's also a bunch of holes riddling more important positions. very "it hurt itself in confusion" moment

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

Probably a case of people at the lower levels not having the resources, education, and surroundings to realize they're trans and come out.

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll serve c-nt before I serve in the military

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Every day bitch

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

any time someone has said this to me i just point out that it doesnt make it right because every broke ass person could do the exact same thing but choose to bust their ass doing the work nobody wants to do for an amount of pay nobody should be subjected to instead of taking the easy road out and just joining the military

[–] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)
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