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Donald please, do EU too

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is there any logic to this at all? Why are they punishing canada and mexico worse than china?

(I know in reality all of these only punish americans but ykwim)

[–] dead@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

Trump has been floating the idea that he wants to replace income tax with tariffs. The intention is that he wants to offload the tax burden of corporations onto the cost of living. Canada, Mexico, China are not paying the tariffs. US working people are paying the tariffs.

[–] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 128 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh thank god everything has been way too cheap recently, thanks Mr president

[–] KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net 102 points 1 week ago (3 children)

According to the news, Americans are only going to be paying $1,000 more per person for their basic goods this year. It's a good thing most people aren't working paycheck to paycheck, have been receiving cost-of-living wages, and are not already in debt, right?

[–] SeducingCamel@hexbear.net 2 points 5 days ago

It's looking like I'm barely going to squeeze out paying off my final credit card balances soon. Idk what I'm gonna do once I have to start paying for health insurance and my federal student loans later this year

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 69 points 1 week ago (1 children)

porky-happy: “Sorry kiddo, but we ALL need to make sacrifices!”

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[–] rhubarb@hexbear.net 98 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 96 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Watching the United States President choke the economy to death in less than 100 days.

[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

honestly the perfect way for america to go out. bumbling narcissist and former reality TV star is elected head oligarch by 80 million people who either see assholeness and cheap showmanship as endearing qualities and/or were just plain miseducated. said oligarch thinks he can bully the rest of the world into handing him free money for his pipe dream of reviving 1950s US dominance. ends up completely alienating ~~allies~~ satellite states as the dollar collapses and BRICS booms.

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Guess we're doing accelerationism now

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 days ago

Accelerationism is not a vibe, it's a process, and there isn't a single group of organized Marxists in America that is voting for, participating in, or creating conditions for acceleration. It's being developed by reactionary forces and the Marxists are just vibing with it

[–] riseuppikmin@hexbear.net 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We're not doing anything.

The US has simply decided to destroy itself because the idiot failsons/daughters of smarter imperialists took the reins as true believers of the past's bullshit and took power.

Now it just burns because it burns

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Or as the eternal science of Marxist though teaches, monopoly capitalism has such extreme contradictions during late stage, it destroys itself

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[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m along for the ride. And trying to keep in mind the upside: if the country collapses, they will not have the ability to interfere in other countries.

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[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 84 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The end of the fourth Reich draws near aubrey-happy

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago

If this lasts a while, it will be interesting how the Treatlerites respond. I've always imagined the US falling apart in like two weeks if it was under the same kind of embargo that the US subjects Cuba to. This won't be close to that, but I still expect some craziness.

[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Does anyone else find it weird that the fourth Reich started before the third?

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

reichs are counterintuitive like that

Also everyone always forget the zero reich that was Great Moravia that was founded around 150 years before first German one.

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[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 82 points 1 week ago

lib status: owned

fridge status: empty

wife status: cheating on me

oh yeah, we do get tired of winning trump-feed

[–] dogerwaul@hexbear.net 77 points 1 week ago (12 children)

i'm interested in seeing how people who voted for him are going to rationalize their support when the tariffs are pushed to consumers to cover. goods and services are going to increase in price and instead of it being due to a series of complicated events that the president is of course involved in it'll be directly Trump's fault. explain that away, please.

[–] Biggay@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

its the cost of re-establishing American Greatness. We are exceptional, and if the prices are too high maybe thats a personal failing of yours and maybe youre whats making America Woke

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 66 points 1 week ago

"because of woke"

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 51 points 1 week ago

“Well you see. Poor porky was facing competition and it scared him. Once when labor is free AND he has a full monopoly, THEN porky will probably feel safe and FINALLY let us lick his plate.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago

My money's on "Woke DEI corporations (controlled by Soros/Zuckerberg/The Jews more broadly) are trying to stop Trump by raising prices for no reason".

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 75 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I love that he and his movement have been so rabidly anti-China particularly on the economics and he applied 250% more pain on Canada than China.

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[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

In the face of waning dominance of the dollar as the world currency, lacking options to sustain the dollars value in the global market, empire as a tool no longer viable, and alternatives to their Financialization schemes, and global sanctions driving a split in payment systems, the Hermit Kingdom known as the Burgerreich turns its economic policies inward, abandoning conquest of empire, imperialism, and third world Financialization, in favor of economic nationalism.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We're going to see a lot of economic activity domestically in the USA as part of this. It won't be enough to win. But it might be enough to convince the workers that things are improving. More people will get into laborious factory employment, more people will get into laborious field employement, and more people will get into gig employment to maintain the livelihoods of the others. It might actually look half way decent in a few years.

But it's never going to put the West on a trajectory to surpass China. So there will also be an element of a war drive, and a lot of that labor is going to go to industrialized munitions production. And that's going to require nationalism/patriotism, and that means culture war and domestic oppression.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree to an extent. I think the demands globally are going to change very soon. Our ability to sustain any form of conflict is going to be deeply hampered, to the point that I think any amount of rearmament that we engage with is going to be defensive in the truest sense. While we do that though, development in states we traditionally have subjugated will have advanced enough to become true contenders against our influence.

South America and Africa will rise in our absence, likely to be the next set of contender states. The middle east will likely go through a realignment as well. All with China leading the way. Our sanction regime will loose all its venom as different market avenues open. We've already seen decolonization begin in Africa, and I think with this and economic support through B&R, were going to see rapid and compressed development of the productive forces in Africa that might bypass capitalist accumulation and land right into socialist production.

This new diminished position on the world stage will leave us susceptible to meaningful sanctions and global market actions that will intensify class antagonism at home. Production at home especially industrial production will need to be accompanied with a massive deflationary period to justify reshoring our industrial labor power. Which could be what the goal is with the tariffs coming out of the whitehouse.

That amount of class conflict, open and unmasked, could backfire. How it backfires, who knows. How long all this plays out? Decades I'm sure.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It would be amazing if the USA focused on defense on the expectation of invasion. Talk about a collosal waste of energy and focus.

I think the tarrifs have multiple goals. I think deflationary pressure is one. I think bargaining is another. But we agree that the goal is "restoring" or rather simple domestic capital investment.

The class antagonism problem is solved with xenophobia, scapegoats, and white supremacy - just like always.

I disagree that South America will rise alongside Africa. I think both will be susceptible to disruption by black ops. I think South America will be more susceptible than Africa. I hope I am wrong but I imagine part of the USA's lebensraum will be death squads, coups, and assassinations throughout South America to prevent any sort of hemispheric threat from emerging.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think between deleting things like USAid and a growing domestic "terror" problem the US will need to reinvest in domestic cointelpro style projects. I think the working class right isn't fully aligned with the drivers behind this current federal crisis. The eggs are about to get more expensive, and that's a problem. The deflections are not going to work if they're all done at the same time like what is happening now.

Our current efforts in destabilizing our enemies are failing, and we needed to rely heavily on allies to achieve any of it, dragging them down with us. They are facing a similar problem as the US. Their fascist rise is born out of similar contradictions.

There is a reason why the Trump administration is pushing for NATO to be less reliant on US funds and it is because they want to exit NATO, likely because they know we can't keep production up in the near term to meet defense needs. The chip conflict with China is only worsens this reality. They could make the importing of that technology for these advanced tech systems the DoD wants to build incredibly painful.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a "Starwars" like project out of this administration, just like Reagan. This time built by SpaceX using what we know about the iron dome. A good way to dump cash into private industry. Its not yet clear to me that the AI sector is going to recover and I'll bet we see the Stargate project axed in favor of something that's less of a bubble a defense aligned.

All this to say, it's going to be hard to exert foreign influence if we're facing major crisis at home. Our allies are going to be dealing with similar unrest.

Also I'm mostly talking out my ass here. I could be fully wrong about all this. It is interesting to speculate about, but it's more an exercise in figuring out how fucked we are.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 6 days ago

There is a reason why the Trump administration is pushing for NATO to be less reliant on US funds and it is because they want to exit NATO, likely because they know we can’t keep production up in the near term to meet defense needs.

I think this is a deeply inaccurate analysis. NATO is a transnational nuclear military that has functioning logistics networks, trained command structure and soldiers, and masses of material deployed all the way across Europe. Napoleon and Hitler spent so much blood and treasure to have a tiny fraction of the positioning that NATO has. The US will NEVER give up NATO.

The reason the Trump administration is pushing for NATO to be less reliant on US funds is because they want Europe to develop their own military AND transfer some of their treasury to the USA through weapons deals.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see a “Starwars” like project out of this administration, just like Reagan.

I would, because I don't see the current situation like a USA vs USSR situation. I see this situation a lot closer to Germany vs USSR right now.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Which is very funny because we subsist almost entirely on imports.

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 70 points 1 week ago

Mom said it was my turn to raise inflation trump-drenched

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They can take my Modelo from my cold dead hands

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[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago (6 children)

My boss is scared of good coats skyrocketing despite us being Canadian. We aren't paying the tax. If it raises prices on American import, whatever, we don't get our food from there for the most part. Anything that isn't local is either from Italy cause Italian restaurant or from China cause that's where most garlic comes from. Maybe our lemons are american but I think that's all.

[–] blame@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago (7 children)

looks like they're doing a retaliatory 25% tariff starting tuesday, so it's gonna go both ways

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[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago

Stock up, or start making and selling, “I did that” stickers

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago
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