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Something that totally shocked you learning it or realizing it. I might be using the wrong wording here, but ill give you my example:

In Ocarina of Time, we all know the Triforce was cut, or otherwise not something you get in the game, save for in the cutscenes towards the end. BUT - did you know you can actually go find it and see it in the game?

If you have a Gameshark, turn on the levitation code. Go go Zeldas Cortyard in the room where she is, and fly over the wall. When you fall, you'll land in a pool of invisible water, and underneath the center of the room with the flowers, look down - there it is. Can't interact with it, but you can see it, and i choose to believe putting it in that exact spot was intentional for lore reasons.

What do you got?

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago

What was "the war" in Pokemon? Lt Surge fought in it, and apparently Pokemon did too, but there hasn't been any prequel game that explores it.

But here's an interesting reading: so in early Pokemon content guns were a thing, but later on it was decided that guns don't exist in the Pokeverse. This could be explained in-universe - perhaps guns were a common sight at one time, but they've faded out as the Pokeverse's society has gotten more utopian. This can also be seen in the schemes of the Pokeverse's organized crime - Giovanni and Team Rocket were up to some bad stuff, racketeering, gambling, poaching, but as you go forward in time the worst crimes committed by society's anti-social element are tagging and petty larceny.

Could it be that "the war" was the final war, and Lt Surge was a member of the People's Army that finally defeated the bourgeoisie, allowing for the creation of utopian post-capitalist societies where lotteries are held just for fun, kids can go on cross-country trips unsupervised, and the only vestige of currency is play money paid out just for participating in society and used to buy non-essential things because all of the necessities of life are distributed for free?

It's not impossible!

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fan theory that is sorta supported: Star Fox is a furry retelling of a real war that happened in the F-Zero universe. James McCloud is a human F-Zero racer.and the weird DS star fox game has an ending where fox totally fucks up his life and he gets it back together when he and Falco join the f-zero grand prix. The Arwing and F-Zero machines are both powered by a G-Diffusor System. The F Zero world not being full of anthropomorphic animals leads me to believe Star Fox is a sanitized telling like Disney's Robin Hood is Robin hood was a real historical guy or weird furry ww2 fanfics

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago
[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's a few animal-people in F Zero, no?

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bio Rex is a raptor but I think he was made by science. I think the rest are just aliens who kinda look like animals

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lmao I was just on the FZERO wiki after reading your comment and having learnt a bit of Japanese since last playing all that time ago, I noticed that Gomar & Shio ( ごま + 塩 sesame and salt) are both Furikake (rice topping) aliens.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The F Zero X character descriptions are some of the greatest paragraphs ever written. Most of my gaming time is currently spent trying to get really fucking good at the game and high level play of X in counterintuitive and weird, it's neat but I've always been a grip car normal driver, I gotta learn my low grip Tokyo drifts

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeh I love the descriptions and the goofy little videos you unlock for each character in X. You can tell that the character designers enjoyed thinking up these outlandish (otherworldly) backstories that play out like wrestling drama but with actual in-game-world intrigue and consequence. My hands are itchy lol I wanna play gimme the sticks

Edit: i got my versions wrong, I meant gx. I didn't play much of x until it was on the virtual console

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Everyone is so fucking weird and they give just enough information that it really only raises more questions but you know whatever is going on is cool as hell. VAHOOOM!

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My favorite is probably anything from TES. Explaining CHIM or mantling or even breaking down this diagram

[–] DeeEmCeeTooBestGaem@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The whole idea of the Dragon Break/Warp in the West is one of my favorite pieces of game nonsense ever. Yes, all 7 endings of Daggerfall are simultaneously canon, because Akatosh got really drunk and so 7 different people all simultaneously obtained control of an artificial god and proceeded to do god things with it. Time just didn’t exist for a while, don’t worry about it.

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Also it created a new god out of the super powerful emperor from a few centuries ago (except now he's retroactively always been a god), don't think about it.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

My favourite is how one of the Sermons of Vivec is about Pokemon.

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In Warhammer 40k, vehicles such as the Land Raider or the Land Speeder are not named that because they're land vehicles. No, they're named that because they were invented by Arkhan Land, the techpriest who designed them.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not even invented but he allegedly found the plans. Inventing things is a tech heresy, so while less dogmatic tech priests do invent things sometimes they always use this excuse so maybe Land did it too. Except Belisarius Cawl, he don't give a fuck but even he have to frequently engage in extreme theological discussions (extreme because they often ends in shooting) to justify himself.

Also all that is apparently not entirely canon, despite being so entrenched it is in every bit of relevant lore, because Mechanicus Codex said it's not that bad, inventing things is deemed acceptable in at least one major forge world, Ryza.

Oh well i guess that is some deep lore lol.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Eyyy that's like Thomas Crapper who invented the modern toilet. Or was instrumental in it's invention anyway.

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[–] Waldoz53@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

hatoful boyfriend is a dating game that first seems like a joke since all the dateable characters (and characters besides yourself) are sentient birds. its all good fun, but if you keep getting into the lore it gets so weird (in the best way). your main character is a human going to a school for sentient birds, but theres a secret lore reason as to why, rather than just a simple joke

::: spoiler big spoilers the reason the birds are sentient is because a bird flu wiped out most humans, but the countervirus developed by humans to stop the spread of the disease also made all birds develop human level intelligience. theres a massive bird-human war which the birds win because humans still end up dying of bird flu. birds now keep humans away and segregated and living in the wild. about ~100 years later your character is a human from the wild invited to go to the normally bird-only school :::

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Seems reasonable, humans are stinky

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

Oh shit really? That's crazy, I remember playing a little bit of that years ago

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

~~Simpsons~~ Hatoful Boyfriend predicts reality once again!

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In Super Mario 64 if you go to the courtyard and jiggle the joystick around really fast for 30 mins Mario will eventually go "Oooh Mama Mia time to cook a da pasta!" And he will cook you an entire delicious pasta dish he will then turn to the screen holding the dish and say "You want-a dis?" And a menus asking you to select yes or no will appear.

If you select yes he will say "Okaaaaaay~ you-a asked for it!" and he will take a big dump in the dish and throw it at the screen laughing maniacly saying "You still want-a da pasta, nerd?".

If you select no he will loudly cry "MAAAAAMAAAAAAAA" until you switch off the console/emulator.

This is 100% real my dad who works at Nintendo told me it was Miyamotorolas dying wish to include it.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago

Omg its true

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not super deep, but the theory that the Gen 1 Pokemon evo lines were reworked for Butterfree/Venomoth to better conform with children's understanding of metamorphosis in bug species. Based on visual design, some fans speculate that the original evo lines were:

Venonat > Metapod > Butterfree

Caterpie > Venomoth

But then changed to Cat > Met > Butt and Ven/Ven

Idk i read up on it that sugimori did intend it as it ended up but there's enough doubt and prima facie convincing stuff to make it fun, enduring lore

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's the evidence that it was switched?

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Mostly superficial similarities between the body colour, teeth, antennae and eyes

There is no textual evidence of a switch afaik. The fan justification of the switch is that children learn caterpillar, cocoon, butterfly as the basis for metamorphosis, not caterpillar, chrysalis, moth.

I messed up my original post with the line too, it was speculated that the original line was cat > met > moth and ven > butt

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[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Tribes games are actually in the same continuity as the earthsiege/starsiege/cyberstorm mech pilot series.

Every TES game has you smash, vanish, or otherwise mess up one of the key structures of reality in the world as the goal of the game. None of them can be truly destroyed but at this point things gotta be looking bad.

The indie game called Heaven's Vault has your characters foster mother as a primary antagonist and a religious fanatic but the Ng+ implies she might be right about everything.

Pretty much all the archaeology of Elden ring and the fact that even the earliest civilisation visible might not have been the first.

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The TES stuff is my jam. As much as I don't really care for Bethesda now, I appreciate that even up through Skyrim, a lot of the wilder lore tidbits are acknowledged and hinted at, just never put at the forefront. The Empire having asteroid colonies and spaceships, Dwemer steam trains, genocidal time traveling cyborgs in Oblivion, etc.

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Love the sub canon about what the eye of Magnus actually is. It's so, so dumb I can't help but like it.

[–] tombruzzo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

A big part of the Elden Ring lore is there are aliens and I feel like people don't make a big enough deal about that

[–] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been playing the games for nearly 30 years now and I still haven't fully wrapped my head around the Zelda game timelines.

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They do come across as "Fine, here you go", when I don't think Nintendo really thought about it that deep, just kinda put the same locations in the games.

Like, two parts of the split timeline in Ocarina of Time make sense (Zelda essentially created a time paradox by, after defeating Ganon, sending Link back to his childhood where he still remembers Ganondorf taking over Hyrule), but not the third part (Hero fails).

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

I will only allow for 2 timelines and in pretty sure Nintendo just made up a third one so their thing was different than what fans had made up

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

I like the backstory of the first generation of Resident Evil (1,2,3, CV, 4, REmake, Zero) and the twists and turns of Umbrella Inc and it's like monarchy-themed evil corpo business.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Maybe not favourite but the most recent i encountered and in surprising place: Path of Exile 2 which belongs to a genre not famous for even having much lore in the first place:

When you fight Doryani in act 3 he call you "Demon of Atzoatl", despite protagonist of PoE 2 is not the same person as the protagonist of PoE 1 who travelled in time and ruthlessly pillaged the Temple of Atzoatl and by doing so possibly significantly influenced the fall of Vaal civilization and destruction of entire continent. But Doryani never met the MC of PoE1 and he possibly makes mistake because you too travel in time and do absolute mayhem at key time and place of the Vaal. What's best: Doryani, while genius and one of the most impactful people in game world history, is a complete psycho and one of the worst mass murderers in history of Wraeclast but he figuratively* shit his pants on the mere thought of "Demon of Atzoatl" so it's a nice detail too that finally some boss is scared of you.

*Figuratively because he don't wear pants

[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

PoE lore is absolutely great!

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[–] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Dwarf Fortress: you are Armok, the dwarven god of blood/destruction/creation

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

The whole plot line about the Templars from Assassin's Creed inventing capitalism

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In Fallen London/Sunless Sea the Bazaar is actually a sentient space crab that collects love stories to present them to the Sun to convince it to love her.

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Mario was actually a high profile lawyer with a love of turtles and a hobby of mushroom hunting. He was on his way to a sentencing hearing for a case that was going to be the pinnacle of his career when he was hit by a drunk driver. Every Mario game takes place in his mind while he lays in hospital in a coma.

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In dota, 2 cosmic powers, radiant and dire, fight each other in a prison. Prison is made by arc warden to protect rest of the universe. Arc warden is actually weaker than a single of them but they only focus on each other so it is ok. One day they come to an agreement that they want to fight elsewhere and beat arc warden to get out of prison. They then fight on a planet with mercenaries they hire which would be the heroes you control. After they win the confrontation, loser cosmic power is destroyed and winner cosmic power reverts the time back. Firstly, because they hate each other so much they want to beat each other again and again, secondly loser is destroyed and winner is weak so the winner is vulnerable to arc warden.

Because of the time reverting, every single match that has been played is part of the canon.

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[–] Owl@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

In UFO 50, the characters Amy and Alpha are the same person.

Amy traps her little sister in the back room so she can throw a party (Party House + Mini & Max). Mini helps the Mol Duk civilization of mold-people, and hears their prophecy that they'll become a technologically advanced people (Mini & Max). An unnamed friend of Amy gets kidnapped by a man who has become an infested mold zombie after drinking Mol Duk tea (Night Manor) given to him by a therapist (probably one of the counselors from Party House). Amy and friends fight a zombie apocalypse, get abducted by aliens, beat up the aliens, and continue their journey, presumably keeping the flying saucer (Fist Hell). The Mol Duk people become Woogie's species (Onion Delivery; yes it was Earth all along). Amy escapes the planet using the space ship, then goes on a series of adventures under a new assumed name, Alpha (Velgress, Overbold, Pingolf, Quibble Race). Further evidence for this is that both Amy and Alpha have wildly inconsistent hair color from game to game.

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

General Morden is from New Brunswick, Canada.

[–] Tech_Issus@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Not necessarily my favorite but the one I can think of off the top of my head is that Monster Hunter Is a Post apocalyptic society, recovering after the kingdom of Schrade was demolished by fatalis around (my minimum estimate) a millennia ago. Due to a War between monsters and Humans/wyverians (which was devastating in of itself and unleashed countless horrors on the land like the equal dragon weapon (the thing that caused fatalis to decide to destroy everything)) that being said this is unconfirmed lore from MH1

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago

In final fantasy 15, Bahamut has Noctis's face. The first king of Lucis, Ardyn's brother Somnus, also looks the same. You can never see Bahamut's full face in-game because his mask covers everything except his eyes, but the novel mentions his appearance explicitly and makes the connection textual. They clearly have a father/son/holy spirit thing going on between them where Ardyn is Satan. Well not clearly, but it's there.

Really, the full plot of FFXV could be described as deep lore because it's scattered between the games, DLCs, movie, book, and OVA. Here's some more important details that the main game glosses over:

spoilers, obviously

  • Gladiolus's dad dies alongside Noctis's dad in chapter 1
  • Ravus's arm got melted off from trying to use the magic ring in the chapter 1 siege too
  • the arranged marriage between Noctis and Lunafreya was planned by Ardyn and forced through threat of invasion
  • Prompto is a clone of the evil Niflheim scientist guy and so is every generic soldier you fight
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