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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 119 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So the cartels, who profit directly from the high demand of drugs by Americans, were given weapons, by Americans, to meet that demand of drugs. They then essentially hijacked the mexican government with those guns and violence in order to keep their drug supply available to Americans, meanwhile destroying hope for peaceful life for many many towns and people in mexico. But it's the Mexicans trying to escape those problems, once again created by demand in the US, who are the problem?

How very fucking American.

You know who doesn't have a fentanyl problem? Mexico. They're not the ones creating demand.

I'm simplifying, I know, but I'm very fucking tired of Mexicans and South Americans being blamed as if the US hadn't fucked the entire country and almost the entire South American continent over for the last 50 years.

I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here but fuck man I'm just tired.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

The exact plan is to make everyone too tired to understand they're being played against each other.

The average American lives nearly identical lives and has nearly identical axioms, wants and feelings as the average Mexican, the average South American, the average Canadian, etc. The only real differences are superficial and aesthetic, and if we all woke up with amnesia tomorrow, and the borders were erased from maps, we would probably all just intermix and form a whole new world as we discover each other's foods, customs, ideas and desires without being afraid of "losing our cultures" or any of the manufactured fears the powers have instilled in us about the "other."

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago

You do know that US intelligence agencies and military have been heavily involved in organizing the global drug trade, including smuggling drugs like Heroin and Cocaine into the US?

It has always been a tool of power. This is why Reagans wife told kids to "just say no to drugs" in a concerned voice, while her Husband organized tonnes and tonnes of Cocaine to be smuggled into the US to finance a fascist terrorist organization overthrowing democratically elected governments and killing tens of thousands of civilians. Oh and he used part of the profits to sell weapons into a war zone against US legislation and explicit decision of congress, so more brown people are being murdered.

Further fun fact, Mexican Cartels ended up with military assault rifles from the German manufacturer Heckler&Koch, circumventing export bans. So it is not just the US that likes to join in on it.

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/21/696561255/heckler-koch-fined-4-2-million-over-assault-rifle-sales-in-mexico

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wow I had not heard about this, thank you.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because destabilizing mexico so we have an influx of cheap labor has been the point since we were building fucking railroads.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

and turning central america into a bunch of plantations for the banana republics dole chiquita etc...

the more I learn about history the more I think: maybe humanity doesn't deserve to make it.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 332 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Because screenshots of what someone said on social media aren't journalism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Mexico

Mexico has restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There are only two stores in the entire country, DCAM near the capital, and OTCA, in Apodaca, Nuevo León. It also takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally.

[–] hohoho@lemmy.world 113 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

So you’re saying it’s easier to get a gun in Mexico than a RTX 5000 GPU in the US

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 58 points 3 days ago (7 children)

You really shouldn't be spending your money on either

[–] CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 61 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

nah. You should probably buy a gun now if you aren't a danger to yourself.

EDIT: Assuming you are in the US or its neighbours.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If I was living in the US, I'd definitely stock up on guns and ammo at this point. Not that it'll help, when the fascists come for you, but at least I wouldn't go down without a fight.

This is the one reason I’m happy Biden was in office. It gave everyone four more years to prepare. Marginalized communities were some of the heaviest buyers during that time. Small arms have been used to inflict losses on fascists since fascists became a thing. Disarmed groups are substantially more in danger than armed groups.

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[–] YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world 163 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Wrong. I don't know why Jay Hulme feels the need to lie but there is more than one gun store in Mexico.

A quick look at Wikipedia clearly shows that there are actually two gun stores.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's 100% more than OP said! Absolutely crazy, how could they do this?

[–] ziviz 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

~~Even easier and faster; a quick look at google maps presents a list, their locations, hours of operation....~~ Most of these are airsoft stores apparently.

[–] MadBigote@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

All but the first one are airsoft gun stores.

[–] ziviz 6 points 2 days ago

RIP me, confirmation bias sucks...

[–] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 107 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Something like 85% of guns used in crimes in Canada are smuggled from the US

[–] Death__BySnuSnu@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Sounds to me like someone should build a barrier of some sort to keep all those undesirables from the south out of their country.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah and not just guns that are smuggled abroad from the US. Most illegal guns in Europe come from former wars, stolen out of abandoned and badly secured depots. The balkans, Iraq and Afghanistan. And once the war in Ukraine is over many unused weapons will flow into the European criminal circuit.

The entire Military Industrial Complex is making the world more dangerous even during peace time.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Too fast, too furious...

https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/27/world/americas/operation-fast-and-furious-fast-facts/index.html

The craziest thing cartels buying guns in America and smuggling them into Mexico isnt that the US government was selling to people they thought were smugglers.

It's that the people at the gun store are doing the same shit people are doing all over the place.

The used gun market is insane, I know a couple people that constantly buy new guns and sell them less than a year later. They don't question why some person is willing to buy $200 over new price for a used gun.

And the way the law is structured, that's in their best interest.

If a random person walks up and asks to buy a gun, you don't have to ask any other questions as a "private seller" and since you can only get in trouble if you know that person can't own a gun, the less questions the better.

The "private sale" loophole makes every other gun law just a slight hassle to get around. But no one wants to actually close it.

Edit:

It also incentives those sales.

No gun store will pay as much as someone who can't buy from a gun store.

So to make sure someone ends up with that can legally have it, the seller loses money.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 3 days ago

They do get many from straw purchases here, which is already illegal can get you 10+yr in federal prison.

But also they get a fuckton of full auto guns that are illegal here from the mexican military's corrupt members, and other sources like china, somehow they get explosives too including south korean grenades have been found which is wild, and the best is Operation Fast & Furious, where the ATF just directly sold them a bunch of AKs "to track" and then surprise! "lost" them. They get em from multiple sources.

[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Buckle up because guess what, George W Bush implemented the gun smuggling into Mexico with a plan called "Fast and Furious"

[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I'm glad this got linked. It's definitely the gun version of "you're not fighting the predator by buying more cats... you're just feeding it cats."

[–] frezik@midwest.social 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We had to arm the drugs in the War on Drugs to make it a real fight.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not sure if I'd really use the troubles as a defense against the proliferation of personal ownership of firearms........

Kinda hard to claim you've been "radicalized" by denying other radicalized individuals the ability to fight off a oppressive foreign government with a long history of genocidal tyranny against your entire ethnicity.

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[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Smuggled? The DEA was shipping them direct at one point.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For the curious.

Not literally shipping them, but setting up a sting that never stung. Ironically to stop the flow of illegal guns.

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Most places, if not all places there's a war, there are American weapons. Remember all the people coming after the American soldiers in Black Hawk Down, well they used American weapons.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why need more gun store when the biggest gun store in the world is right above you? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

USA is an arms dealer cosplaying as a country.

the USA is a corporation with a military

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Maybe per city? I know there's one single gun shop where I live but not for the entire country? Lol

[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Are there most likely small illegal shops? Absolutely. But he is correct. There is only one single legal firearms store in mexico city and is run by the military

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There are two in the whole country. Finding that odd shows a very Americanized view where gun are ubiquitous instead of controlled which is the exact point of this article.

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[–] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Reminder that as of 2025, the US is the only country with more privately owned guns than people, at 120.5 guns per 100 people... The 2nd highest is the Falkland Islands at 62.1 guns per 100 people.

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[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Accuracy of this post aside, would anyone be surprised if many of the cartel leaders are on a cia payroll?

I am not alleging that to be any truth, but i would digest that information like a weather report claiming rain when you’re still soaking wet from having been outside.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You hardly have to speculate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

Condor was formally created in November 1975, when Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet's spy chief, Manuel Contreras, invited 50 intelligence officers from Chile, Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Brazil to the Army War Academy in Santiago, Chile. The operation ended with the fall of the Argentine junta in 1983.

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In 1980, Regional Security Officer James Blystone had met with an Argentine Intelligence Source. In the declassified memo, Blystone had asked about the disappearance for two Montoneros that had plans to travel from Mexico to Brazil to meet with other Montoneros. The Argentine Intelligence Source had explained that they had been taken and interrogated, and later contacted their Mexican and Brazilian counterparts for approval to conduct an operation to capture the other Montoneros that were expecting their arrival. Once they were under custody, they had utilized fake documents to check into their hotel to impersonate their presence and not alert any other Montoneros of their capture. They were imprisoned at Campo de Mayo

The Mexican Connection of the Iran Contra Affair

In what newspapers here are calling ''the Mexican connection'' to the Iran-contra affair, the Mexican political establishment and its right-wing opposition are trading charges that each has maintained improper contacts with American organizations supplying aid to anti-Sandinista forces in Nicaragua.

Critics of the opposition National Action Party accused the party of treason after it was disclosed last month that a prominent party member met several times in Washington last year with Carl R. (Spitz) Channell, director of the National Endowment for the Preservation of Liberty.

Mr. Channell recently pleaded guilty to conspiracy to defraud the American Government by raising tax-deductible contributions for a purpose that was not deductible: buying arms for the contras. He was an associate of Lieut. Col. Oliver L. North, who developed the contra arms supply network while working for President Reagan's National Security Council.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9rida_Initiative

Some examples of Mexico's paramilitary abuses at the time included the sexual assault and rape of dozens of female detainees by police in San Salvador Atenco, and the disappearances of dozens of teachers in the state of Oaxaca in 2006, as well as the killings of seven innocent bystanders, including the American journalist Brad Will by off-duty policemen. Almost half of Mexican police officers examined in 2008 failed background and security tests, a figure that rose to nearly 9 of 10 policemen in the border state of Baja California

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