I still don't understand what business the government has defining sex. How is that in any way the government's job?? If anything, it could be up to medical organizations, such as the AMA, if they had sound arguments. But, the government? I really try to at least understand everyone's logic even if I don't agree with them, but this is just so insane. I don't get it.
That’s because there is no logic, the people that want the government to define sex have a purely emotional reaction to the very existence of trans people… and most things that don’t align with their narrow life experience and worldview
Just a reminder if you are worried about your children being ogled by trans people in the "wrong" restroom: There are ten gays for every one trans person, so the likelihood of being ogled by people in the "right restroom" should be ten times higher. The solution is not to police who uses what restroom, but to design restrooms that don't allow for ogling!
I swear, the only proof of a grand gay conspiracy I've ever found is the bathtub urinal. Walls, people, real walls, not plywood separators that have gaps between the doors and opening on the bottom.
Also don't for a second think that they aren't coming for gay and lesbian people next.
That, and like, don't flatter yourself (person who is afraid of getting hit on by a hypothetical gay guy in a bathroom). Most people, the vast majority, look like 20 lbs of birdshit.
There's better places to date and get asked out anyways, like a gay bar, or at a fun climbing gym. If you do get asked out (which won't happen), take it as a compliment for not looking like hell and move on. xD
Can't wait for them to remember that trans men exist. There's going to be a lot of shocked Pikachu Republicans when men who look like men show up in "women's spaces" because they're being forced to.
Wish I could be a fly on the wall to see that fucking awesome scenario.
But seriously, trans folks, you don't deserve this bullshit and I hate that your existence is the controversy of the moment for Republicans. Be well and take care of yourselves <3.
I recall an article about that exact thing happening - a trans man had to use a women's restroom because of the local red policy over his birth cert saying female.
People saw a man enter a woman's restroom, and proceeded to beat the shit out of him.
It's a feature, not a bug.
Don't ever forget that for republicans, cruelty is the goal.
It's designed to put trans people in an impossible position. Use the bathroom you want to and get brutalized by the cops, or use the bathroom you're legally required to use and get brutalized by private citizens while the cops look the other way.
It's also gonna suck for any cis women accused of being trans, and subject to invasive "verification"
I remember reading an article of this exact situation happening
It's not gonna be fun at all because it will involve trans men being threatened and assaulted.
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They just want it small enough to fit in your underwear.
Of fucking course. The law equally prevents the rich and poor from sleeping under bridges.
Does this mean that if there's a clerical error and your baby's birth certificate lists the wrong sex, it's illegal to get it corrected?
This reads a lot like the Indiana Pi Bill. Granted, that one never passed, but it's a pretty old story: politicians think they know better than experts.
And now that our Supreme Court has thrown Chevron Deference out the window, that old story may have a different, much worse, ending.
Look at how they just forced the EPA to stop protecting over 60% of wetlands in the US. Look at what they're doing with the FDA and mifepristone.
Bad times ahead.
ITT: Everyone conflating sex for gender...
It's actually quite important. Your sex are what your chromosomes are, your gender is what you identify as.
Your sex doesn't change, your gender does.
That's literally the definition of it.
This is important especially for medical purposes, medication, surgery, emergency care...etc all has variations based on your sex, because different sexes are predisposed to different classes of problems and interactions. This also applies to REPORTING, reporting that a medication affects someone born female different than someone born male is an extremely important distinction.
Incorrect reporting literally costs lives.
It should to be standardized, just like everything else that has significant consequences on well being.
Politics are ruining what should be completed apolitical...
And it looks like lemmy is just Reddit again, except at least on Reddit you can find an informed opinion before the bottom of the thread. This thread is completely devoid of critical thinking....
You didn't say anything inaccurate, but you also appear to be missing the point almost entirely.
“It is common sense that men do not belong in women’s only spaces,” Pillen said in a statement. “As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women’s athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women’s sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms.”
This isn't about clinical reporting standards. This is about being able to regulate social settings based on sex instead of gender. By legally clarifying the definitions, there can be no confusion when they follow this up with banning male-sexed individuals from female-gendered bathrooms.
Umm... I hate to tell you this but this is propagating some pretty harmful misinformation...
The reactions to medications are actually more closely tied to the hormone balance and body fat distribution of a person than their sex. It's a common issue in the trans community where birth certificates are non-updatable that a doctor will prescribe meds for a person's birth sex but because they are fully transitioned through HRT they get the effects more common to their phenotype presentation. This means that treatment is more commonly in line with their gender identity because of their hormonal medication and other procedures like an orchiectomy that make a person more similar to where they transitioned to then where they transitioned from.
With trans paitents by and large the safer way to behave is to go with the "if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and talks like a duck... If you are in a pinch and can't ask them for specifics because they can't talk - treat them like a duck." While a lot of doctors aren't super well versed in trans specific healthcare it remains a huge problem inside the community for trans women particularly being dosed like cis men which often means they respond like cis women to a lot of different things which is on average a little more scary because meds often linger longer than is expected in trans women's tissues just like cis women. Sometimes this causes some cascading problems.
Pharmacology wise the way trans folks react to different medications is still a bit of a frontier science... But dollars to donuts "just treat em like their birth sex and call it a day" is way too simplistic a take. The lived experience and often physical nature of gender do not stay nicely behind a cordon marked "politics". Trans ignorance in healthcare can be very scary for someone whose endocrinologist has informed them what they should be given and treated like and then some hotshot resident could just decide to not listen should the trans person in question be placed in a position where they are in extreme distress and have to self advocate and educate the person caring for them on what may be the worst day of their life.
This is important especially for medical purposes, medication, surgery, emergency care... [...] Incorrect reporting literally costs lives.
Surely that was the intention 👀
“It is common sense that men do not belong in women’s only spaces,” Pillen said in a statement. “As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women’s athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women’s sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms.”
The Nebraska and Oklahoma orders both include definitions for the words “man,” “boy,” “woman,” “girl,” “father” and “mother.”
Also
And it looks like lemmy is just Reddit again, except at least on Reddit you can find an informed opinion before the bottom of the thread. This thread is completely devoid of critical thinking...
This is a really dismissive way to deal with disagreements (also peak reddit behavior, it's only missing the "edit:")
Sex is far more complicated than just what is assigned at birth. Especially if you take stuff like hormones into consideration.
Nature doesn't work in discrete categories. Almost everything in nature is fluid and amorphous to some degree. Exceptions to every rule humans can think of.
And if you talk about sex about purely what gametes you have, then that isn't really very useful to talk about in practice outside of reproduction. When laymen talk about sex, they mean perceived sex more than anything else (and to prove the point, the article talks about sexed places and such..). Leave anything else to medical professionals.
Yes, and we all know that was the intention behind this order. To protect people from incorrect medical reporting 🙄.
The people you're seemingly mad at never wanted to make this political. Trans people are just people that want to exist. That's it.
Your sex are what your chromosomes are
So we need to genetically test all babies at birth?
Otherwise, I don't know how we would figure out the sex of the ones with Swyer Syndrome- XY but with female genitalia.
And assigning their sex as male at birth doesn't make much sense to me.
"assigned"? How can it be assigned when it's a natural state of being? That's like saying the kids also get assigned hair color or eye color at birth.
They're trying to co-opt language "assigned at birth" is a trans phrase
Funny thing, both of those can change too. I was blond when I was a kid, now my hair is brown, and when I'm old it'll be gray.
Because it's not always one or the other. Sex and gender are far more complicated than just X or Y.
Maybe someday, someone will successfully describe the difference between sex and gender to a conservative.
It's not about being successful. They don't want to know.
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