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And before anyone makes a cheeky "what do you need this for 🀨" comment, I'm a writer. I'm not going to murder anyone I promise, I just want to write a scene where one guy gets poisoned.

I need something that doesn't require modern technology to extract/produce, and would make sense to be avaible in a place with a temperate to mediterranean climate. The slower, the better. Does a plant or something like that exist or do I need to make one up?

Update: I looked into death cap mushrooms and they might be just what I'm looking for! Long reaction time, and being dried doesn't make them less toxic! (the scene takes place in midwinter so no fresh ones would be avaible) If anyone has more info on them, please do share.

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago

You could go for Paracetamol/Acetaminophen. The lethal dose is quite low and in theory low enough someone could poison someone else with it. And once symptoms set in people's livers are often beyond rescue and they die a very gruesome death unless we find a transplant organ in time.(And even then survival is not guaranteed)

And it's relatively save to use in writing as it is coated/mixed with enough bittering agent these days that it actually wouldn't work that well to secretly posing someone.

If you need something with a shorter timeframe Methanol is an option.

And of course there's always Dihydrogen monoxide-everyone who has even had one drop of it will die eventually but the time range depends on the dose. With very high doses people die in minutes,with medium doses (this is actually sometimes used by inmates to kill themselves) they die within a day, with lower dose after decades, but some die mere days after they ingested the mere last drop of it. Nasty stuff and very available.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 6 days ago

I've heard something about writers writing about guns -- if you describe a specific gun they'll come at you for being wrong, but if you say something like "a modified Kalashnikov" you're conveying the image you want, and the nerds will do the work for you in figuring out how it could have been modified.

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Depending on your setting and desired outcome for the poisoner, uraninite (aka pitchblende) might be an option. It has historical uses in glass making and pottery glazing, which could provide justification for why someone would have it.

It contains Uranium, which is radioactive, but I don't believe will bioaccumulate, but can build up on surfaces, tools, and clothing providing a source of long-term radiation exposure. In addition, it contains lead, which does bioaccumulate, providing a source of gradual long term poisoning as well as radium which also bioaccumulates and is radioactive, providing an additional source of longterm radiation exposure.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Mushrooms are a good option, and you can just make up a species if you want specific time frames/symptoms. Mushrooms can cause a lot of weird symptoms.

There's also a brain eating amoeba or other sickness from still water (people back in the day were very aware of tainted water).

If you have access to polar animals, a unique poisoning would be vitamin A toxicity from their livers. It's a horrific way to die, though (skin sloughing off).

[–] d3m0nr4v3r@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] truxnell@infosec.pub 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Ongoing case here in Australia with a lady accused of murdering her ex and ex-inlaws. Invites them to lunch of beef Wellington and death cap mushrooms.

3 died fairly awful deaths in the following days/weeks, 1 survived after intensive care.

Accused of trying to murder the ex 4 prior times too.

The "Mushroom lady" case absolutely captivated us for weeks

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Ex-spouse: (on the phone with parents) My ex-wife has invited us over for beef wellington.

Ex-spouse's parents: Hasn't she tried to kill you like four times before? Why would you accept this invitation?

Ex-spouse: well her beef wellington is to die for!

Ex-spouse's parents: Well that's good enough for us, were in see you a 6

That and mushrooms often have great scary ass names like "Destroying Angel"

Was going to say that. They to go through the digestive track, so it needs a day or so to work. The toxin of amanita is heat resistant so you can make a stew of it, and when the first symptoms show up your liver is probably already beyond repair. If you want it to be more interesting, there are some species that are poisonous only with alcohol, like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprinopsis_atramentaria , although the symptoms are less severe as in death cap, but maybe it's not unimaginable to give a hearty stew a day before a known heavyweight drinking run to kill the dude(ette).

[–] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 9 points 6 days ago

Arsenic is a classic murder poison. It's been known since anciemt times, though possibly unsuited to your onset requirement. Acute poisoning by ingestion is generally within a few hours, but if your character sustains lower doses over time, you could probably draw out the timeline to whatever you wanted. It would be obvious that the character is unwell during this time, but the symptoms aren't super specific and could be confused with e.g. food poisoning.

Or just invent a mushroom like others said. The toxins are diverse enough that I doubt anyone would be too upset if you tuned it exactly to your timeline and desired symptoms.

[–] rosco385@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Apple seeds contain cyanide. You'd have to crush and eat anywhere from 150 to a few thousand seeds for it to be fatal though. I'm sure that hasn't stopped authors from using it before.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Honey, I've made your favorite meal! Crushed up pulp from 150 to a few thousand apple seeds!"

[–] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

Cyanide poisoning is famously pretty fast though...

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Cyanide is legendarily fast acting. Among the fastest known poisons.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Breaking Bad did this IIRC

[–] rosco385@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I forgot about Breaking Bad! That was ricin from castor oil beans, but ricin is the opposite of slow acting.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 5 days ago

yup, I misremembered it being apple seeds, maybe they discussed it before moving to the ricin idea. I should rewatch bb

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How slow are you talking? Days? Weeks? months?

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 2 points 4 days ago

There are a number of options for things you could dose such that it takes 2 to 7 days. Cyanide, Atropine (belladonna) Arsenic, Thallium.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Thallium was pretty famous for this until its mechanism of toxicity and antidotes were better understood. Slow acting, tasteless, odorless, colorless, symptoms weird and mimic other things. Used to be used for rat poison but the risk of accidental exposure was too high. Requires late 1800s technology.

[–] sabin@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Source of radiation given to someone to hold in their wallet/pocket

[–] Barking@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Am not sure if helpful, or if this would be somewhere you could visit for reference.

The Alnwick Victorian poison garden is fascinating and perhaps even has ideas for you.

https://www.alnwickgarden.com/the-garden/poison-garden/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alnwick_Garden

Hope this helps. Am hoping to get to visit one day.

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Go ask chatgpt or something similar for old medical herbs used back in the day that might also posion you. I inspire to write a book one day, and ive found ai to be really informative. The best part is, even if they're wrong its going in a fiction story(i hope) where it wouldn't matter.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I hope since you want to write this will be appreciated: for that sentence you're looking for "aspire" not "inspire".

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey i said i want to write one, i never said it was going to be good.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

That's what editors are for πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

In almost every case in fictional writing it's better to make up a poison then use a real one. That way you don't have someone picking it apart later. Also you can give it whatever properties you want/need. Now excuse me while I continue to work on my immunity to iocane powder.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Alcohol. Sometimes it takes 30 or 40 years to be effective. Not very good for murder, but wildly popular for suicide.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah OP needs to define what β€œslow” means to them. You could say that a one-week delayed effect is slow. Or you could say that it’s only slow if it takes months of exposure.

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