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[–] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 108 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I’m not on some identity politics shit but this exact type of rhetoric I loathe to hear from other black people. There is no need to hoist our historical/economic/cultural wounds on to someone else. That’s vile and disrespectful to both the target of this as well as other black people.

I hate this shit, but to illustrate my point she’s (and other people like her black or otherwise) saying “we don’t want to get rid of the plantation, or even to heal other get away from this place, we just want to be the overseer. Maybe have a more ergonomic handle on whip too, and a better saddle while you’re at it”. It’s so fuckin’ cowardly and plainly ignorant.

Democrats don’t want a better world they want to be at the helm of the “make everything suck more” machine. They want to maintain the status quo but just want a slightly more advantageous position in it.

The average democrat is so confidently stupid and carry an equal parts cringe and utterly unearned sense of superiority

I hate this shit, but to illustrate my point she’s (and other people like her black or otherwise) saying “we don’t want to get rid of the plantation, or even to heal other get away from this place, we just want to be the overseer. Maybe have a more ergonomic handle on whip too, and a better saddle while you’re at it”.

Democrats don’t want a better world they want to be at the helm of the “make everything suck more” machine. They want to maintain the status quo but just want a slightly more advantageous position in it.

Your anger is justified for tis' not simply idpol. It's the collaborator role and mentality that this lady plays, that has seeped now into immigrant life-or-death matters.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Upvote, cause in principle you make the right argument and I think Jasmine is tone deaf to use cotton picking as an example.

But let's be honest. Americans don't want to perform low paid heavy manual labour.

They aren't going to be manufacturing garments in factories or picking peaches from the fields any time soon.

So I have to credit her for making a good argument, even if she chose the wrong example.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean ostensibly you're right, Americans absolutely cannot and will not do low paid heavy manual labour. I think the point is that it's not ridiculous to expect somebody supposedly on "the Left" to make the leap that maybe nobody should be doing low paid heavy manual labour. This is just classic socdem labour aristocracy spoils of empire type shit, that it's fine slave labour happens, just not here.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well yes, I 100% agree.

It is in fact possible to have well paid agricultural labour. My own family has done it. It's still hard labour, but it doesn't have to be low paid.

But at the risk of sounding like a neoliberal, I don't think it is wrong that middle class Americans, who are rich by Latin-American standards, have the opportunity to get their kids an education so that they can become UX designers, lawyers and doctors.

The same happened in my family, and we don't have anyone doing farm labour in my generation.

And I therefore also don't think it is morally wrong that poor Latin-Americans try and earn better wages so that they, too, can provide their kids the same opportunities.

Just stop the exploitation. Give them an honest wage and let them enjoy the fruits of their labour.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

We're arguing the same thing I think. Hard work should be compensated with appropriate wages and living conditions, manual labourer or office worker or whoever. Ideally nobody should work, but until we build that work this is the one we've got. Labour is always morally "wrong" under capitalism because it is definitionally exploitative.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This may not be glamorous work, but this is all essential labor. We need food to survive. We need clothes to survive (in most climates 🤔), and even in some solarpunk utopia, we would need factories to build things like looms, tractors, harvesters, and whatever other machinery is necessary to automate this labor. With the pressing climate crisis, we also have a genuine cause to transition to more local and direct supply chains for a lot of purposes. We have the choice either to find a way to make this labor rewarding, or to consign it to some underclass.

Under capitalism, we choose the latter, and then we have liberal politicians like this justifying immigration not as a right to seek greener pastures, but in terms of a cost/benefit analysis for the economy. While the economic bean-counting does make more sense in practical and economic terms than an arbitrary reign of terror against the workers who keep the food flowing to our grocery stores, there is nothing liberatory about it. It is still a regime which cultivates a "reserve army of labor" which it uses the threat of deportation against to suppress the wages and rights of all workers, with the fig leaf that coffee or bananas might cost a little bit less. They are not upset by the violence of border militarism or the trade war. They are only upset that it is being used in an arbitrary, capricious, and self-defeating manner, which is why they are out here scoring cheap rhetorical points while advocating nothing more than a return to the status quo ante. They have no interest in pulling on the thread of why these jobs, which are essential for us to survive, are so alienating in the fist place.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 68 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Betcha working conditions on farms would be a lot better if everyone was required to do a rotation once every couple of years.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 83 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i did about 4-5 years full time as a young idealist. i was underpaid, ripped off, exploited, and did lots of dangerous shit. got real lucky to not be injured. it still head and shoulders above what happens to the trafficked and adjacent migrant workers brought in by brokers and contract housed. nobody assaulted me, nobody could take away my documents or steal personal belongings from me with impunity with a phone call to La Migra. labor aristocracy compared to the prison work gangs and furlough programs of angola.

but just from the long hours in the heat for absolutely dogshit pay, all that liberal indoctrination against political, mob violence i grew up immersed in, oozed from my pores and evaporated away in the oppressive south georgia sunshine.

i realized in my bones the people running this system deserve everything waiting for them.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

We should make it so you gotta have a 4 years work experience before going to college or getting any "grown-up" job, with at least one year in retail, one in food service, one in labor, and one in hospitality.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mandatory Proletarian Service

[–] immuredanchorite@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

this was already a thing. they called it the up to the mountain, down to the countryside movement

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

think 3 months in each leaves enough of impression tbh (with harvesting even 1 week is enough, if the weather is against you and you do some of the back breaking stuff tbh)

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 64 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"see the problem with slavery is that i didn't get to own any slaves! very problematic."

agony-limitless

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago

Liberals' problem with the Holocaust isn't that it was the fucking Holocaust. Their problem is concentration camp SS guards didn't get sensitivity training seminars.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago

I've maintained the establishment dems playbook has moved on from performative identity politics to identity schadenfreude, which now defines the anti-immigration shift of the dems

The point is to compartmentalize and silo whole demographics off from one another using crude divide and conquer rhetoric for the sake of two goals; first to appeal to white American suburbanites and their perennial dislike for anyone with a skintone darker than uncooked pizza dough (the Schumer strategy but explicitly racialized) and second to isolate the organizationally minded members of any given demographic by anchoring them to the belief that only their own demographics can be viable targets of organizing; blasting indirect divisive rhetoric like "Let THEM pick cotton, instead" is only the most visible of the tactics being used. It's a total non-starter in terms of fostering solidarity and the overall point is to create resentment to forestall organizing by left orgs

This rhetorical strategy is born right out of the anti-Palestine hysteria of the DNC, while Sanders/AOC sheepdog desperate radicals back into the Democratic Party, this trap is what's waiting for them

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Libs will brag about "Gorbachev knew the cold war was lost when he saw American shelves" go on about end of history and then repeat shit like this without shame. No wonder history in their schools is being rewritten so easily

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago

"we have Liberia at home"

Liberia at home:

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago
[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

“Jasmine Crockett said she wants illegal immigrants to pick her cotton and NO ONE from the left is gonna check her?” women’s sports activist Riley Gaines asked. “Wild times we're living in.”

Color me shocked! The "women's sports activist" is actually an anti-trans hack. I swear these journalist scumbag trash think they can slip by anything from under our noses.

“I’m really trying to grasp her logic,” Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, added. “And yet .” President Donald Trump acknowledged Rep. Crockett during remarks at the National Republican Congressional Committee dinner Tuesday. “The Democrats have taken a lot of beatings, they’ve lost their confidence,” he said. “They’ve gone crazy. How about this new one they have, their new star Crockett? Are they serious about that?” “If that’s their new star they’re in serious trouble,” he added.

Behold! The consequences of having 0 ideological discipline for even the mildest milquetoast progressivism (forget DiaMat)! SocDems getting repeated outflanked by fascists from the left.

Rep. Crockett last month also faced backlash for referring to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, who uses a wheelchair, as “Governor Hot Wheels.”

Appropriate last name for this person. She truly is fried. Someone should photoshop her head onto the standing croquette in this pciture. Hell, I'll do it (tomorrow maybe).

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

President Donald Trump acknowledged Rep. Crockett during remarks at the National Republican Congressional Committee dinner Tuesday. “The Democrats have taken a lot of beatings, they’ve lost their confidence,” he said. “They’ve gone crazy. How about this new one they have, their new star Crockett? Are they serious about that?” “If that’s their new star they’re in serious trouble,” he added.

heartbreaking

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

So this is why I was feeling hungry ever since I started reading....

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Those look so tasty

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

I love croquettes especially with potato fillings they are like fries but better.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago

Completely unsurprising. This is who they’ve been boosting over AOC

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Can you fuckers go five minutes without throwing your voters under the bus???!

[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

putting the closest auto body shop on speed dial cause all my libs keep getting SCRATCHED

[–] CeliacMcCarthy@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

I 100% thought this was a conservative after glancing thru the article, and only noticed

“The Democrats have taken a lot of beatings, they’ve lost their confidence,” he said. “They’ve gone crazy. How about this new one they have, their new star Crockett? Are they serious about that?”

I hate this country so goddamn much

THESE are the people these fucking libs come in here to chastise us for not electing? Just vote conservative already you undeservedly smug losers.

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago

"The resistance", folks.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 week ago

least fascist yankkkee

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

something something read Settlers etc

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

the-democrat: “Mom, can we stop at McFascism for some exploitation?”

the-republican: “We have exploitation at home.”

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The amerikkkan rot mindset just hits everyone, regardless of race.

[–] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

damn bruh this is your opposition against trump-drenched

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

What’s worse is when the die hards tell you that you hate immigrants by not voting for them.

[–] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

~~damn bruh this is your opposition against~~ trump-drenched

“The Democrats have taken a lot of beatings, they’ve lost their confidence,” he said. “They’ve gone crazy. How about this new one they have, their new star Crockett? Are they serious about that?” “If that’s their new star they’re in serious trouble." speech-r trump-drenched

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

Extremely predictable

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago
[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago
[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

vile and dehumanizing rhetoric from a performer

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dems, the Republicans keep saying slave owners and the founders of the KKK were democrats; please stop trying to prove their point, it's making the whole country look stupid.

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

The whole country is stupid, though.

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Holy fuck the mask didn't just come off it got gleefully ripped off and tossed aside

[–] kjaeselrek@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Lmao holy shit

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago