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Air Force Dumb

Qatar is gifting Trump a $400 million luxury 747 to serve as a temporary Air Force One, but experts warn that retrofitting it to meet presidential security standards could take years, cost hundreds of millions more, and risk national security due to potential embedded surveillance.

The current VC-25s aren't just repainted 747s. They're a pair of flying fortresses that must be capable of allowing the president to run the country, survive wartime conditions (even nuclear), and be totally secure from outside influence or intrusion. While the precise details of the current airframe are a tightly guarded secret, some details are included on government fact sheets or have been revealed in various media reports. For a start, it must have an in-flight refueling capability so the president can go anywhere in the world and stay up as long as needed. Retrofitting this to an existing 747 would be very expensive, as the feds would need to strengthen portions of the hull to handle the refueling system and reconfigure the fuel tanks to handle trim issues.

Then there's the hull, which is known to be armored, and the windows are also thicker than you'd find on a normal flight. The government would also need to build in weapons systems like the chaff rockets used against radar-guided missiles, flares against heat seekers, and AN/ALQ-204 Matador Infrared Countermeasure systems, or similar to try and confuse incoming missiles. Next up, the engines and electrical systems would have to be replaced. The electronics in the current VC-25s are hardened as much as possible against an electromagnetic pulse that would be generated by a nuclear detonation. There are also claims that the aircraft have extra shielding in the engines to help against missile fragments should a physical attack happen.

Next up are communications. Air Force One has air-to-ground, air-to-air, and satellite comms systems that are thought to be the equal of what's in the White House. There are at least two separate internal phone systems - one open and the other highly secure - that would need to be installed and checked as well. Then there are incidentals. Contrary to what films will tell you, there is no escape capsule on the current Air Force One, nor a rear parachute ramp, but there is a medical suite with emergency equipment and space for a physician which would already need to be installed, as well as a secured cargo area designed to prevent tampering or unauthorized access. As for the threat of embedded surveillance devices, Richard Aboulafia, managing director of aircraft consultancy AeroDynamic Advisory, said: "You'd have to take it apart piece by piece to stop a professional operator putting in lots of equipment to confuse things, like spare sensors and wiring."

"It wouldn't be in the air before 2030 at the earliest, long after he's left office and probably later than the existing planned replacements," said Aboulafia. "It makes no sense on any level, except that he wants a free 747 for himself. Nothing else makes any sense."

"What's sort of annoying about the whole thing is I'm not sure what's wrong with the current Air Force One," Aboulafia said. "Maybe if they gave it a gold makeover, he'd like it more."

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[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Hope it crashes

I mean the entire Trump and Republican administration is a security disaster. What's one more complete breakdown in national security at this point? Just cutting out the middleman with messaging apps on insecure devices.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I know how this is going to end. Trump will ignore all security advice and just move right into the new plane without any delay or investigation. He dubs the plane "Air Force Gold." He quickly forgets the security warnings and moves on with his term. Unfortunately for him, in time he also forgot who gave him that plane. Which is why he didn't think twice when in 2026, he stabbed the Qataris in the back in a crucial trade deal, arms contract, or international incident. One night, when the plane is flying over the remote Pacific, all systems aboard suddenly shut down. No control surfaces respond. The engines shut down and all control is lost. Gold Force One spirals downward, eventually striking the water at 400 mph. The debris of the plain quickly sinks, weighed down by literal gold. There are no survivors. "The Tale of Trump" eventually becomes a new Aesop.

[–] Pofski@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

This is just pure delusional. They wouldn't crash Air Force Gold with him on it. They would do it without him on it, as a warning. He's too easy to use, why would anybody with money exchange him for a potential 'difficult' president?

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Where were you when you heard that Trump's plane went down?" is a conversation that does sound fun to have one day. But I just doubt it will happen. Too many other self-serving people in the admin will push to ensure it's safe behind the scenes (for them).

Besides, I'd rather see him in a jail cell. Or an execution chamber, if the court determines it required given treason is a capital offense and he is a repeat prolific offender. Either is fine with me - beggars can't be choosers.

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[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 day ago
[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump is the embodiment of a security disaster, the airplane is just the icing on the top

[–] kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is the stupidest timeline. We miss you Harambe

[–] Jagger2097@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He's living the dream with the quadriscut

Thank you for guiding me to the quadriscuit.

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[–] hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How would Donnie react if they did take the plane... and then gave it the FULL work over? I'm talking fully disassembled on some hangar floor, not a single bolt holding two things together. Gotta check everything!

"Sure, Mister P, your plane will be ready for use in just a couple of years, maybe 2036."

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

EO saying it's good enough.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

"No. Leave it as it is or you and everyone else with common sense is fired."

[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 112 points 2 days ago (10 children)

This was literally my first thought. You'd basically have to go through every one of the millions of components across every square inch to verify there was nothing sketchy going on. Not to mention, you'd have to review all of the software and firmware to make sure it wasn't modified or sabotaged in some way. It would take an excruciating amount of effort to make it "safe".

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 60 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Software alone would probably have to be replaced.

Who in their right mind in the US government would trust another country, any country, to install and run their own software on their leaders aircraft .... especially an aircraft that would be used in an emergency event.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago

Unfortunately they're not in their right mind.

[–] Tiger@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean the top leaders are using Signal right off the shelf without a second thought already, the dumb shits.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's not entirely true. They're also using a modified version of signal that is less secure than the default

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 days ago

literally just handing state secrets to a rogue nation

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My hope is that they didn't put in any kill switch or have any malicious intention whatsoever. But, through shear incompetence, they did manage to make it have the bumpiest, most nausea-inducing ride of any 747 ever. The Qataris stuffed the thing with gold without any consideration of aircraft vibrational dynamics. And while the plane will still fly safely, it will mean Trump has to fly around in a giant golden vomit comet.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And even then. Integrated circuits in some system may have been replaced by fake versions carrying some extra functions, it would be relatively cheap to have this done, especially for a kingdom with billions in spare change, and damn near impossible to detect

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 10 points 2 days ago

They could just put a gold-covered iPhone in the shitter and he'd log in and use it

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[–] hdnsmbt@lemmy.world 66 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"It makes no sense on any level, except that he wants a free 747 for himself. Nothing else makes any sense."

Glad to see this spelled out so clearly.

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[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 days ago

experts warn that retrofitting it to meet presidential security standards could take years, cost hundreds of millions more, and risk national security due to potential embedded surveillance.

Oh, but that's the mindset from before the current administration. Back when presidential whims were at least moderated by process and oversight. Back when people believed that it didn't matter if America elected a ridiculous tinpot dictator, because they couldn't do anything just by themselves, the rest of the government was there to see the law and procedures were to be followed at all times. Now? Nobody in the White House cares. Donnie wants a jet, Donnie gets a jet.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I really hope Trump fucks himself over so monumentally on his quest for personal affirmations that he gets himself killed, or worse.

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[–] Kurious84@eviltoast.org 31 points 2 days ago

Really like this story. trumps greed is on full display because wants a palace so bad he can't even fathom that this is a bad idea at every conceivable level.

Shows he doesn't care about spending money when it's himself. Dossnt care about a gift from terrorist supporters. Doesn't care about the money it would cost dismantling that to search for bugs. lol.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The real question is "what news is trump trying to bury with this 747 crap"

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm not sure he's smart enough to try that tactic.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That's literally his only tactic, he does it constantly. How entire existence is a distraction for the oligarchy.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is exactly what I pointed out at first.

The existing presidential planes have pragmatic measures to deal with the less pleasant aspects and possibilities of presidential duties. This plane in contrast is nothing but absurd levels of luxury for rich dicks who want to show off their wealth and is unfit as a presidential plane.

The fact that Trump wants to use it as Air Force One for himself says a lot about how he views his duties as the president and how little personal sacrifice he is willing to do to serve his country.

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[–] mrbubblesort@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You know what? Fuck it, let him use it. Then we can all laugh when it quite literally blows up in his face.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The real dick move would be to dismantle the current AF1 so the next President pretty much has no choice but to use this monstrosity.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Not sure who would want to kill him. Assad? But he's already deposed. Hamas or Jordan could probably get intel from the Saudis, but lack firepower.

Russia and China are celebrating President Idiot, definitely don't want to replace him with somebody competent.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Cluster B personality disorder being played like a stringed puppet. There’s no way this plane isn’t rigged to surveillance and doesn’t have a kill switch.

Most people run away from Cluster B. 76 million ran to it to no vote for a democrat. And now here we are.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Let's hope it's booby trapped and he goes down with the ship.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well, the current VC-25As are painted identically and fly together as a means of confusing an attacker on which plane the prez is on.

If Trump starts using his new plane, it won't have a twin and it will be clear which plane the prez is.

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[–] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the bugging of the new embassy in Moscow. It's a cautionary tail in and of itself which relates to this jet.

Air and Space Forces Magazine: Cleaning the Bug House.

...“Mr. Ambassador, these are the plans that disclose how the bugging of your embassy took place, and these are the instruments that were used,” said Bakatin. “I want them turned over to your government, no strings attached.” Strauss was dumbstruck, according to an account of the incident he gave later that year. After years of denial, the Soviet intelligence arm was admitting its role in one of the most notorious espionage incidents of the 1980s: It had packed the new US Embassy office building in Moscow with sophisticated listening devices. The edifice’s structure was so riddled with bugs that some US counterespionage experts described it as nothing but a giant microphone.

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[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My first thought was 'trojan horse'. Give a gift that you've laced with taps, traps, and software backdoors that you know your enemy won't be able to refuse.

Purely from a national security perspective, this is a horrible fucking idea. Also from a financial perspective, this is a horrible fucking idea. Right now you have at least two fully functional AF1s that are already equipped with the property gear and take the same parts. Now you want to completely retrofit a jet from a foreign adversary that will have separate parts and maintenance requirements from the other AF1s.

Talk about asking for a mistake to happen.

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

He'd be 'stupid' not to take it, though. :|

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (5 children)

"It wouldn't be in the air before 2030 at the earliest, long after he's left office"

He's not leaving office. He fought against stepping down last time and everyone has given him more power this time. He will never leave that office while he lives.

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You know what? Let’s apply some of that “government efficiency” idiocy that he claims to be driving. Sure. Just jump in it and start flying around. Nothing matters anymore. By all means, traipse around in an unsecured, relatively undefended beacon of American shittiness without any of the standard VIP transport countermeasures, let alone the countermeasures that exist on the current AF1. See what happens.

Children of Kali noises intensify

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
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