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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (2 children)

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark(1995)

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Wow. Completely nailed it, unfortunately.

Do you also start to get weary of how they're always dead-on when it comes to pessimistic predictions? :(

[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I mean there are a few good actuate positive predictions. The family of laws that collectively are called Moore's law is decent offhand example.

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[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S 49 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Unironically I would be literally thrilled to contribute to this brain drain. I'd drop everything and get on a plane right this very second for a chance to do a PhD in literally any other country.

If anyone is looking to fill a electrical engineering PhD position literally anywhere but America then I'm ya boy.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 11 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Finland has tuition free PhD programs for nationals of any country, Germany and Netherlands offer paid research positions where you basically are a full time student and still a part time lecturer - working hours can be tough though, since you need to balance the two. If you have some modest savings, Malaysia has some excellent universities and very cheap tuition (I'm doing my phd here and pay about 10k USD for a 3 year program) and cost of living is very low.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 9 points 6 days ago

Yeah, we gonna need loads of that for 7th gen fighters, resilient next-gen green smart grids, etc. Bon voyage!

PS: we're not better than the US, but at least our political systems can delay full fascist takeover for about 5-20 years...which may be enough time to reverse it politically or to at least create defenses against it.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 45 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Brain drain? They're flushing them!

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 33 points 6 days ago

"in danger"

Why is it that all these articles seem to be written in the past?

[–] bloup 54 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I think at this point, the danger has crystallized pretty thoroughly. Even if you somehow stopped everything that was currently happening, I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university. Getting a degree is already stressful enough without having to worry about whether or not the institution will legally be allowed to keep you enrolled for the entire duration of your program.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

American science will suffer. But you don't care for science in the US, anyway, so most people won't even notice the loss.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh they'll notice the loss...they just won't understand it

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They'll notice they have lost ... something.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And then they will blame Democrats/immigrants for it

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Of course. All good that happens is because Trump waved his glorious hand, while all evil is due to the mighty scheming of the weak Democrats, or something like that.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In danger? We've been experiencing that for decades now and it's now taking a nosedivem

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

It's part of the plan. If you can't win over the more left-leaning academia, you can always just get rid of it. Worked out for both Hungary and Russia.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Idiocracy had their time predictions wrong, it's already nearly there.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The most ludicrous part of Idiocracy is that the film makers thought the future it depicted would be 500 years away. Turns out, it was 20 years.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 5 days ago

when the guy was in a deep statis, it did shows the progression starting almost immediately, and funny thing it had a AI basically managing the whole society in the future.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 6 days ago

I am not going to miss the "pax" Americana, but it's sad seeing this and knowing that the world's total rate of scientific advancement will go down considerably for at least a decade.

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There's no way I'd send my kids to Harvard or MIT (or Stanford, Caltech, Yale, Princeton, etc. etc.) if I were a foreigner. Shit, I am an American and I think I'd probably prefer to send my kids to McGill at this point. I hope my outlook changes. And I write this as someone who has walked the halls of two of those prestigious universities.

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