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[–] Taco2112@lemmy.world 116 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I feel bad for the men that get indoctrinated by this guy. Just like a lot of people that get taken in by religion, these people are looking for some understanding or change that really can only come from within but the church is promising that religion is the only way.

These men don’t understand that there is no black and white/ universal version of “manliness”. We all have to decide for ourselves what “being a man” means.

I go with a simple definition: as someone who was born a man and continues to identify as a man, my feeling is that, anything I do is “manly” because I am a man. Doesn’t matter if it’s sewing, hunting, or eating soup (which the preacher in the article seems to think is not manly)

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Being a man is eating soup and being able to say "fuck you, I like soup."

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 week ago (10 children)

And also being so confident, you don't need another man to tell you you're a big strong masculine man.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In college a woman remarked "I don't know many men manly enough to wear a pink shirt."

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[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

Pretty much how I see it. Being "a man" is being comfortable with who you are and not being scared about what others think. Putting a dress on and having "Tea" with your kids during playtime is just as manly as playing football. (And looks hilarious when you're a 6 ft tall biker looking dude with a beard and hairy legs like me.)

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reminds me of a scene in the Lone Wolf and Cub comic I read when I was younger.

I don't remember all the details, but there's a panel where the two most dangerous samurai in all of feudal Japan are camping out before a fight, and some rando is astonished that these high bred, noble, elite warriors are cooking their own rice. One of the two rips into him about self-sufficiency and how there aren't always servants to do your cooking for you, and what kind of warrior would just starve when he has no servants around?

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And what does the article say? Eating soup isn't manly? WTF? I'd like to hear his rationale for that one, but I'd probably lose a couple of IQ points reading it.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Toxic masculinity is full of shaming men for random things that are arbitrarily defined as not manly. Nothing is more dangerous for a Man than not conforming to masculine gender norms

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 90 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Pro tip: if you're worried about your manliness you should go to therapy not to church.

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 73 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Watching gay porn is twice as manly as watching straight porn.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 33 points 1 week ago

Nothing gayer than having sex with women.

  • various right winged influencers
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[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

that's like 3 layers of scam: church, manliness and absurd levels

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

This wispy-bearded Texan is in the vanguard of a movement urging conservatives to relocate to Russia. Last August, Putin introduced fast-track shared values visa for those fleeing Western liberalism.

Oh no ... don't do that. Us lefties would hate if all our manly men left us to deal with these Haitians eating our dogs alone. That would trigger and own us so much.

[–] mgnome@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well, they'll probably have manlier problems to deal with since moving to Russia is leopard eating your face speedrun, with examples such as Russel Bentley or that one conservative Canadian family that sold their everything to move to Russia and got their money stolen by Russian banks.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Zero sympathy. Zero.

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[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 59 points 1 week ago
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

15 dumbasses in East Bumblefuck: *do something*

BBC: A NEW GLOBAL TREND?!?!

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[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (8 children)

JFC if someone is this worried about their "manliness" or lack thereof, there's really no hope for them.

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

doggedly backed the invasion of Ukraine, calling it a Holy War

Yeah I don't really give a shit about their concept of the male gender. Apparently it involves fathering many children, so that Russia doesn't run out of soldiers for the hundred years of glorious holy war it will take to defeat NATO and save the world. If you really want to reach the ultimate heights of manliness, try wearing eye shadow, practicing embroidery, and watching Hello Kitty while remaining confidently masculine.

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[–] Zess@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

If you have to be told how to be "manly" then you ~~probably~~ definitely aren't whatever the fuck you even think "manly" is.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Manliness has always been a scam.

Source: me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Manliness is an ideal intentionally placed out of reach. An insecurity to be exploited

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (3 children)

IF you can be shamed into going a Russian church to be manly, you are headed in the opposite direction from the path to manliness - you become a pussy who can only follow.

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[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 week ago

I, for one, would like to congratulate whoever conceived this psy-op to get conservatives to move from Texas to Russia. Inspired stuff.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Always fun witnessing another round of people arguing over whose church is dumber.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's a hoot. These Ultra Incels think the Orthodox Church is going to hand them a submissive woman. Sounds like their new church is a sausage fest up in there.

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[–] termaxima@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Let them become even less dateable, so us lesbians can get all the other girls 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩

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[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, all these "manly" men need a fluffer to make them more "manly"?

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[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

So fragile, so scared. They are so terrified of being perceived as lesser men that they resort to this crap. It's just that you could only feel sorry for them... if they didn't suck, that is.

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

So basically a church of assholes competing with each other to out asshole each other. Then they wonder why their kids don't talk to them and that "manliness" skips a generation. I am willing to bet these "absurdly manly" men are in the closet and over compensating.Using an iron is too feminine? Bitch if you want to be respected as a professional don't fucking show up in wrinkled ass clothes. Why do you think the army fucking irons? Because you look good in unwrinkled clothes. God dammit I am going on a rant again.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Irons can burn in hell. Either steamer or dryer, but ironing legitimately sucks. It somehow makes my shirt more wrinkly than I started.

[–] nfamwap@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like you're too manly for your iron. Try being a bit gayer next time.

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[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While all of you meme and joke and minimize the threat, a rising wave of disaffected boys has grown up under the most toxic of social environments and still NONE of you take this seriously.

When you see the world in ten years time you will kick yourselves for doing nothing to stop it now in its infancy

[–] valtia@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Stop what? Stop it how? Suddenly make every parent in the US loving, compassionate, and effective at raising their children? Or maybe we could just fix the economy? One of those is bound to work, easy!

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it's funny how I'm the boogeyman for all these supposedly manly men.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

His Grindr nickname is probably "FatherBottom."

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 14 points 1 week ago

He looks like he would be handy on a trip through Ravenholm.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Says the man in the nun outfit

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Nothing more manly and confident than having to constantly validate your manlyness

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I know at least few Russian-speaking people where I live (Kraków) who tried to convert me to their church. One Uber (or Bolt idk) driver, when I told him that I am interested in practicing Russian and Ukrainian wanted me to come to some church to read a Bible or something, and other time one friend of mine wanted me to come to (I think) Orthodox church to meet some women or something like that.

I think I make an error, when I tell people I am agnostic, it's like a sign for other people to try convert me, and I don't really want to argue with them.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

What's more manly than never letting your dick touch a woman's estrogen filled vagina? Nothing, except maybe letting another man inject his testosterone into your anus with his dick.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago

"Convert Theodore" looks a hell lot like the hat-tipping M'lady mister

Almost all the converts I meet have opted to home-school their offspring, partly because they believe women should prioritise their families rather than their careers.

Welp, that alone says a lot.

Father Moses says Orthodoxy is "not masculine, it is just normal", while "in the West everything has become very feminised".

Hahahaha, no. The only normal is humans wanting to form groups with like-minded people and, sometimes, making that group appear very different from another group, aka schismogenesis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schismogenesis

Some - in America and other countries - see Russia as the last bastion of true Christianity

Eeehh, given that the orthodox christians are likely closer to the root christianity than the western christians, that is not "too wrong" to assume, I guess. Then again, the orthodox did hunt down several "heretical" christians, some of which likely were "more christian" than them.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Very interesting, but also very lazy reporting. They didn't ask Ukrainian-American Orthodox for example what they think. Ciril's "holy war" screetches are insane, when Ukraine is also an Orthodox country.

There are thousands upon thousands of Orthodox Christians in the US, yet the only non-Russian-aligned perspective in the whole article is this:

Elissa Bjeletich Davis, a former Protestant who now belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church in Austin, is a Sunday school teacher and has her own podcast. She says many converts belong to "the anti-woke crowd" and sometimes have strange ideas about their new faith - especially those in the Russian Church. "They see it as a military, rigid, disciplinary, masculine, authoritarian religion," Elissa says. "It's kind of funny. It's almost as if the old American Puritans and their craziness is resurfacing."

(RIP Elissa's inbox btw)

It's annoying to see the crazies monopolize the report. This is also American Orthodoxy:

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