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cross-posted from: https://lazysoci.al/post/27615443
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Some of the comments here have to be astroturfing. I can't believe that real people would rather be in an office with colleagues than have more time for friends and family.
I'm currently 100% remote, and to be honest I do sometimes miss having coworkers to shoot the shit with, and there absolutely are practical drawbacks to being remote -- especially if you are the one remote worker on a team that is at least partially in office together. At least for me the benefits of being home all the time do outweigh that, on balance, but I'd be lying if I told you that I felt that I was as well-integrated with the rest of my teams as I could be, or that being just a voice and/or face in a video call doesn't have some amount of impact on my long-term prospects.
That said, I really only miss a small handful of my in-office coworkers, and we still do make a point of grabbing lunch every month or three. The rest of the in-office experience can stuff it.
Ideally work would have friendly interactions.
I did know someone like that during the pandemic. He basically hated his wife and kids.
The assumption here is that they have friends and family they want to interact with. It’s lonely when you have no one and working in the office means that you get to socialize and have the potential to do things after work because you’re already dressed/out.
This just in, Lemmy shocked that people have varying opinions
I work at home Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. In the office Tuesday and Thursday and this works for me, as if I go all week at home my mood plummets, seems I like some human contact in the week.
At weekends I see friends and family.
Lol, friends and family? I spend all my time alone in a box, I miss being around people in the office
Especially lemmy users of all people
I agree that WFH is far more efficient and a better situation for most office-based workers, but I wouldn't call going "multiple days without speaking to another human being" an upside. My issue with office work is I have to get up early and get myself ready and fight through traffic, not that I have to interact with other people even if I don't like some of them.
I think that's a regressive point of view. I'm skeptical of anyone with a platform that pushes it, and somewhat repulsed by the normal people that repeat it. Naturally, I think. You don't like people? Well, I'm a people... You're a people too. All of us are people. Good people, whatever your idea of a bad person is, we all are people and we people are social creatures.
In a healthy society we should want to be around other people and, in fact, as a group we become more accepting of individual differences by encountering and interacting with numerous and diverse groups of people and accepting them into our norm, seeing first-hand that we are all just normal people going through life and striving for what we believe is good. We people add so much more than we threaten, we are capable of great and profound things when we work together to achieve them.
It's not normal to turn your nose up at that and I hate that it is being normalized.
I really don't get the "WFH = antisocial" angle. I have friends, I have a partner, I leave the house and go to social places. I don't rely on my workplace to provide for my social needs.
Before working from home I ran a small factory where much of the time I was the only person on the premises. I didn't have the time or energy to do much socialising when I worked there. My social life became richer when I stopped and worked from my dining room!
As much as people act like they don't need contact with other humans, it has been shown to be absolutely necessary for mental health and brain health.
Yeah, but you can get that outside of an office with people you actually enjoy being with.
This x100. I get along with the people I work with but at the end of the day I can’t wait to get away from them. Whereas I still catch up with friends outside of work regardless. Given the option of only socialising with friends and family that’s a no brainer for me.
Speak for yourself. It highly depends on what people you are talking to and the quality of those relationships. IDGAF about anybody at work and could go my entire life without speaking to them again.
I thought the same but over the years my perspective has changed. It's not actually healthy to think like that about people you spend a third of your time with
Doesn't help the fact that we are faced with the threat of systemic violence if we do not maintain a job and are thus forced to spend a third of our time somewhere we don't want to be in the first place.
Forced interaction will never be healthy interaction.
Exactly, which is why I appreciate wfh so much, because the reduced commute time means I've had more time to establish a healthy long term social life which will last beyond my current contract. I also appreciate the extra time I get to spend with my loved ones, which, as you rightly point out, is very important for mental health. Mandatory return to office ruins all of this, and taking into consideration what you said, should really be considered a threat to public health and wellbeing.
While that's true, it doesn't need to be 40 hours a week of co-workers. You can fill some of that with family and friends.
I speak to another human daily when I go get some bread at the corner.
As much as people act like they don’t need contact with other humans
They get it elsewhere like a real social life outside work.
Seriously, all these people saying they have no human contact unless they go into the office is truly horrible to hear.
And, honestly, probably isn't their fault; depending where they live, it might be incredibly difficult to find a local community that they would be interested in with how spread out and isolated cities have been built to be.
It's all just so depressing that we have a society that has relegated most people to have their entire life revolve around their job. Nothing but work and back home to prep for work tomorrow.
I’m currently 100% remote, and to be honest I do sometimes miss having to spend 2-3 hours of my day getting ready/up early and going to work, spending the extra gas money, being late. Cause if we don't go to the office, WHO WILL FUND ALL THESE CORPORATE LOANS? /s
I moved to where I lived so I could walk to work. 6 months later the pandemic hit and I more or less spent 80-90% of the past 5 years alone in my apartment. I miss working in the office because I miss just being able to talk to close coworkers/friends, no slack, no zoom, just walking over and if they weren't focused chatting or discussing and just having social interaction
Fuck, I miss the walk to work and interacting with people
There was lots of shitty stuff about working in the office but damn I do miss it
Only time in my adult life I managed to be regularly hygenic tbh
I miss just being able to talk to close coworkers/friends, no slack, no zoom, just walking over and if they weren’t focused chatting or discussing and just having social interaction
Have you considered getting a social life?
Yes, downsides like drinking better coffee and doing laundry and other chores during the lull of the day.
Good coffee is a major perk. Work from home haters always bring up how important it is to socialise during "coffee breaks" but how enjoyable is it to drink that burnt ass-taste budget watery joe while repeating "nice weather" to random people?
Don't worry, you'll be spending plenty of time talking to humans through countless pointless meetings. Sure, it won't be physically face-to-face, but it often isn't physically face-to-face even when you have to go to the office anyway.
For me, over the years having no connection with anyone at work has actually been detrimental and led me to seek an in office job.
It wasn't the only factor but it was definitely one of them. Humans are social creatures at the end of the day.
Hey friend, I get you. People don't need to agree with you, but I think it's wild the number of downvotes you receive for simply stating your own personal desires.
I work at a job where I'm not expected to be in the office. But we still go, based on personal preferences. There are some people who never go, and that's totally accepted. And others, who prefer the separation of work and home, and being around people, and that's okay too.
To me, our current arrangements of hybrid work, as you feel, is fantastic. (Working way more than we need to, just to feed the owner classes notwithstanding)
While moving into my current house, my family spent a lot of time at the old house prepping things while I maintained occupancy of the new house, so of course I was here alone most of the time. I do work from home. I specifically chose this house because, among other reasons, there are no neighbors near enough to encounter by accident. I don't really go anywhere on a regular basis. As a result, most days the first time I spoke was at my morning meeting; on many occasions it was the last, too. Even better, I was having sinus issues, so until I opened my mouth I was never sure my voice would be there, let alone how it would sound. (Once or twice I did say a few test words to myself to make sure I could be heard.)
There are a lot of things I miss about those times, but I'm much happier now with my family here. I remember that, when we all came up together to buy the house, my kid had left a little rubber dinosaur on the back of one of the toilets, so I saw it every time I used the facilities. It was the first time I'd spent any significant amount of time away from my kid since they'd been born and I was stunned by how much emotion such a simple reminder of their existence elicited.
I still don't really talk to anyone else, though.
The only times I didn't loathe office time was when I had zero time commitment to be actually in the office.
Go in, get keys, go into field for 7.5-9 hours, return, drop off keys, head home.
Sometimes I would leave or return early and discuss matters with coworkers in passing. But anything important was done by e-mail so it didn't matter.
When my butt in a cubicle seat became the only metric (and a synonym for) working, it was awful.
Used to WFH and to be honest I missed the office at the time. Every now and then I'd show up in the office and get zero work done because I'd catch up with everyone lol
It's nice to have the option for both. Sometimes the slog of driving there is too much.
Not to mention being in the thick of office politics.
I think work from home should be the norm and people who oppose it are just your managers who don't want to be obsolete, but I worked from home for 4 years from 2008-2012, before it was more common, and I basically drove myself crazy with loneliness and feeling out of the loop. This was partially due to bad circumstances personally, but after a few months of just your pyjamas you start to feel really sloppy and desperate.
I should add this was long before Zoom or any video meetings so that didn't help.
It's not for everyone, and I know what you're saying but "feeling sloppy and desperate" is certainly not a universal experience. As a single anecdotal example, I've been working from home for over 5 years now and personally feel like I get a lot more pros than cons from it. Sure, I'm lazier with my personal hygiene and don't bother to dress up (during the working day when it's only me who can smell me), but I still go outside and go to events and talk to people outside of work, I just have more energy left to do that in my evenings and weekends now 🤷
I am not against working from home I just prefer working with my colleagues in the office