So the israelis are just obscuring all military casualties from the Iranian strikes, right? It's completely unbelievable with the number of confirmed hits on IDF/related institutions that no military personnel have been killed.
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Western media just takes dictation. Every time I see "lightly injured" used for civilians I have doubts. Of course - Israel wants sympathy but they also don't want to seem like losers.
Western media just takes dictation.
If our comrades here learn nothing of media literacy other than this, they will still be doing OK. When we talk about the US government or bourgeoisie “controlling” the newsmedia, it’s not done by someone at the CIA calling up a newsroom producer and telling them to talk about how Iran is only 0.001 seconds away from having a nuke. It’s how an entire ecosystem of “experts” has been cultivated (just to pick one person as an example, look at Sam Vinograd) over the decades. These experts are the only people who are ever brought on, or the only people who are spoken to off-camera. These experts often have some sort of access or just air of authority that the media needs. So they just unquestioningly repeat what is said. If you question the narrative that’s being put out there, your connections get frozen and now when it comes time to get an inside scoop or have some former admiral on who looks like he knows what he’s talking about, there’s no one who will return your calls.
What confirmed hits? All the footage we have is of bombing population centres. There have been attempts to hit military targets inside these areas, such as Mossad headquarters, IDF buildings, etc, but due to the relative inaccuracy of the missiles, these have missed by hundreds of meters.
The direct hit on the "Ministry of Interior" building didn't actually directly hit it.
How much will the Israeli war on Iran cost?
Hebrew Channel 13 wrote on its website about the cost of the Israeli war on Iran:
"Armament, compensation, and disruption of commercial life - how much will Israelis pay for the war on Iran?" Even if the war against Iran ends within days, its cost has become significant: security costs, property damage, disruption of economic life, and compensation for commercial interests and citizens. The total cost will be between 50-100 billion shekels, a price that every Israeli will feel.
Not clear whether that 50-100bn figure (approx $10-20bn USD) is simply totalling all the costs so far or a general estimate for the overall cost the war will have. Total GDP of the entity is around $500bn USD for context.
The total cost will be...
That reminds me of the first "total cost" estimates in the US for the Iraq War. I don't remember but I think the media first quoted $50+ billion.
Just about that cost. Doing some searching from things written at that time, the upper limit seems to be in the $100~$200B range. It turned out to be $3000B and that's probably a low-ball estimate.
Trump..... Uses an MOAB in Afghanistan, used nuclear brinksmanship against north korea, just YESTERDAY mulls tactical nukes in Iran and libs wonder why those of us outside of the US would want nukes or some deterrent. Even your dems are bloodthirsty genocidal maniacs and a guy like trump or worse is one election away in a highly flawed democracy with racist gerrymandering...... And we should just trust this international "order".
These fuckers will lead us all into an abyss
I honestly think the Dems would already have declared war
Harris might have even carried out strikes at the same time that Israel did, to show how they're "joint partners against Iranian authoritarianism and terror" or whatever word salad the finest in the Democratic Party can produce
And who knows if that would have had a different ultimate result but it would be unquestionably worse than Israel alone FAing and now FOing while Trump sits back and says "Two weeks, folks! Mr Khamenei, very bad guy, we want him to surrender! He doesn't want to, but he will! Fordow! Our beautiful bombers, people are saying they're the biggest and best bombers the world has ever seen, just yesterday a handsome general walked up to me and said it! Very powerful! But I'm a nice guy, I'll give them two weeks!"
The same dems that brag about or roll their eyes at the mention of countless dead on iraq? I'm shocked
The platform they approved (PDF) at the DNC last year attacked Trump from the right on Iran and insisted that Iran could develop nukes "in a matter of weeks." They criticized Trump for not bombing Iran:
In June 2019, when Iran shot down a U.S. surveillance aircraft operating in international airspace above the Straits of Hormuz, Trump responded by tweet and then abruptly called off any actual retaliation, causing confusion and concern among his own national security team.
Thank you this is something I was looking for but I forgot which specifically
i totally understand why Mao said all that stuff abt the atomic bomb now
C4I's actual location got hit 3 hours ago
correction: it's C4I, not C41
The report I saw on C14(?) being hit said it was in Haifa. Those locations marked on the map don't seem to correspond to any of their buildings, at least based on what I can see on google maps
Do you mean C14? Channel 14?
I believe they mean C4I, not C41?
I have no idea what that is
Command, Control, Communications, Computers, and Intelligence.
Though maybe they did mean channel 14 in this case
Closest footage yet of a David's Sling kinetic hit to kill interception, two Stunner interceptors hit the re entry vehicle/warhead of the ballistic missile.
Holy shit, how did I not make this connection. 5d chess on Xi's part once again, god damn.
That’s it, I’m out. I’m no longer opining or speculating if China isn’t doing enough or if there’s some ways they are doing a lot but we just don’t know or. Nope, I’m just gonna Trust the Plan and assuming the My President ( ) is doing the right thing.
go ahead, use all your anti-missile munitions on Israel.
There was news that China will send some rare earth minerals to the US around 10 days ago, but nothing specific since then. Does anyone have any real info?
Mofcom says they are currently accelerating the examination process to approve export permits for rare earth materials. I believe that they are exporting for civilian use but not military, but I’m not sure how they can track the usage once they have reached the other end.
They made some deal on extending existing export licences and loosening controls for 6 months but china has put up a lot of bureaucratic hurdles in aquiring licences, making excuses for not sending stuff and demanding proof of use and sensitive information. The deal wasnt anything concrete and binding, just "we'll look into it and let you get some more". So that the hole in inventories isnt and wont be replenished and scarcity will continue. Hell china has slowed down in the digging up, buying and refining volumes already and those havent even picked up post "deal"
Nothing ever happens crowd (in regards to China's involvement in military geopolitics) are in tatters, myself included.
Don’t write China off yet. As I have been saying, if China threatens to stop the global economy, the conflict WILL end before Monday. There is nothing the US can do about it except to watch Wall Street stock market crash when it opens, should they refuse to a truce.
I've come to realise that China isn't as uninvolved as it may first appear, but is there any weight behind China threatening to "stop the global economy"? That seems like it would be a massive thumb on the scales from China even if they're more invested than they'll admit.
If they feel that Iran has a handle on the situation (which appears to be the case for the moment, albeit we have limited intel), then I don't think they'll see the need to take a drastic step. Keep supplying components for making weapons, intel, and diplomatic support. Iran hasn't exactly gone out of their way to cultivate that degree of Chinese support, either.
Yeah from what I can tell it's more bloomer by the day. Iran's people are untied, they're standing strong, and slowly whittling down Israel's supply of interceptors, striking even in the day time now. So long as TACO Trump maintains his end of the bargain Iran is in a very good place. Increasingly looking like Israel massively miscalculated. The Chinese strategy will be what it's always been, "never interrupt your opponent when they're making a mistake."
Certainly one good sign is Iranians have united around the government. Even women activists in prison have done so. Still, if US gets directly involved I fear things will take an unpredictable turn.
China absolutely has the capacity to do that, but they probably won’t though.
I don't really blame people for being upset at China not taking a more proactive role in assisting Iran in a way where we can see it obviously, but I do think there was a lot of doomerism with respect to China that happened far too quickly. Iran seems to have a handle on things, and wins if the war is drawn out, arguably even if the US gets involved, so China's involvement seems to be more in the background for now.
Obviously, the situation can change, but for now I don't see reason to write China off as entirely passive either.
Their "involvement" matters when the Iranians and the Palestinians stop dying. IMO some YT grifter using western MSM headlines which we know more than half the time are made to justify the infinitely expanding US MIC spending is not serious narrative at this point.
Yes Israel is running out of bombs and missiles. So anyway another bomb dropped in Gaza and Iran is still about to get nuked.