This is so painfully close to being Loss. There's got to be a way to juggle those squares around just right.
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is this Das?
Is this Verlust?
Omg I thought that was the joke.
Wait this isn't loss?!
in order of masculine, feminine, neuter, plural
- nominative: der, die, das, die
- accusative: den, die, das, die
- dative: dem, der, dem, den
- genititive: des, der, des, der
which becomes:
- RESE
- NESE
- MRMN
- SRSR
in high school I pronounced this mnemonic as:
- resee
- nesee
- Mormon
- sir sir
My teacher didn't like the "Mormon" bit, he wanted me to say "merman" but I found it easier to remember "Mormon" and his discomfort only made it stick better, lol.
Fuck gender and fuck german for letting "the" get THIS fucking out of control.
I studied this fucker for 5 years in secondary school, got a B , but fuck it.
I'm learning/speaking Spanish now, it's still got gender and el/la/al but it's not this bad.
My first language of Turkish doesn't even have "the" for fucks sake.
there's a cheat code called "not giving a fuck" where you just say "die" or "das" for every word, and natives will just cringe slightly and then forget about it
Afrikaans (one of my mother tongues) uses "die" for everything. The first time my (German speaking) partner overheard me saying "die man" he was so freaked out 😂 He still can't deal with it, it's just too wrong for his brain.
Das Mädchen und das Weib haben kein Mitleid für die man
Stimmt
tbf i empathize, sweden has remnant gendering and hearing someone use the wrong suffix makes me barely able to parse it as the same word
hell in some cases it literally just ends up being a different word, "the table" is "bordet" but "the tables" is "borden", while "the chair" is "stolen"
it'll be interesting to see if this changes in the future, considering we have a significant diaspora of middle-eastern immigrants who just give up and use "-et" for everything.
you're forgetting to mention the best part about swedish grammatical gender: since it's all vestigial there are no rules left for which word gets what. the words are not gendered, but the suffixes are.
That's weird, Germans have usually heard Dutch before which also uses 'De' for most things (except randomly some words still have vestigal neuter article 'het'), same in plattdeutsch in their own damn country (they have 'dat' for neuter).
De is not a german word, whereas die is feminine in german.
Yeah, but die is also "that" so people say "die man" all the time.
The word "that" is either "dass" when used as a conjunctive, or gendered when used as an adjective, adverb or pronoun. So depending on the part of speech and case, "that man" could be translated as "der Mann", "dieser Mann", "der da", "den", "welcher", or "jener".
Die is also the plural form, so they will say "die Männer", but never "die Mann" singular.
I'm talking about Dutch, sorry for being unclear, I thought "man" rather than "Mann" would make it clear. I'm just saying the phonetic sequence "die man" is something many Germans will have heard before from nearby and related languages. I understand that it could be surprising the first time.
I'm a native Dutch speaker and have a German partner and live in a German speaking country (although my standard German isn't amazing, B1-2ish) so I'm not totally ignorant of the parts of speech in Germanic languages.
Ah, that makes sense. Apologies for the grammar lesson :)
We don't travel to the Netherlands or Belgium all that often, and when we do everyone speaks English to us, whereas my mom just visited us for a month, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Nah you're good, hopefully other people reading will find it interesting. You're right, English usually works better across that border, unless they speak Platte in which case it can be a tossup if someone doesn't have great English.
I can communicate in Afrikaans to someone speaking Dutch if both of us speak slowly and use simple language. It's painful though, so I haven't needed it often. Lucky me that English is so widespread :D
Spanish is a rather easy language
German on the other hand not so much. On the other hand, it's usually very precise and information-dense, which is reflected in how fast it rather slow it's spoken, especially compared to Spanish.
Eh, there's lots of filler in German, too. I learned both Spanish and German and as far as I can tell, Spain-Spanish fast talking is more a feature of cultural extroversion than anything inherent to the language. Even many of the american Spanish speakers speak considerably slower than the Spaniards, and there's no obvious reason why Spanish should be spoken so much faster than Italian, Portuguese or even French.
6 articles?
amateurs...
meanwhile the polish words for "this" and "that":
Same across other Slavic languages
Ist das Verlust?
Babe wake up. The German grammar political compass just dropped.
I’d like to start a petition to replace all these bad boys with “deez.” For example: Deez Frau ist mit deez Hut…uhhhh…getanzt.
You think this is bad you should see a chart that explains the prepositions across the cases... Jfc
This actually makes more sense than the arbitrary grammatical genders. (Sure, english has it simpler with, "from where", "where" and "where to")
I’m a nonnative German teacher and holy fuck is this helpful. I learned each of these separately and at different times with great effort, but I will be sharing this with my students, because it’s way easier to remember with this visualization. Thank you!!
English: We have one definitive article: "The".
Me: OK, that's nice and simple.
Scots Gaelic: Our's is a little more complicated. We have "An", which becomes "Am" for words beginning with B and P, for words starting with an h as the second letter (Th, Bh, Mh...) we use "A' ", and for plurals we "na", oh and if the first word in a word is a vowel, you slap "h-" onto it.
Me: OK, a we bit more complex but I can vibe with it, German what's your Definitive articles?
German:
and if the first word in a word is a vowel
Damn, that sounds a bit complex /j (Thanks for the insight on how Gaelic definitive articles work btw)
The Bart, The!
No one who speaks German could be an evil man!
akkusativ my beloved <3
I'm das/das
I wish it worked this way, but nooo, neutral gender is only 'for things' and 'dehumanizing'.
Gendern nach Phettberg enters the room
That's actually helpful
Though it'd be maybe even more helpful if you're and columns were named; from my understanding, the columns are "male | female | neuter | plural" and the rows "Nominativ | Akkusativ | Dativ | Genitiv"
They are, it's just transparent thus you get black on lemmy background dark grey.
Haha ok, thanks, I had no idea