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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 86 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That’s why the Heath secretary is blaming Tylenol AND circumcisions.

[–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 43 points 2 months ago

They are incredibly stupid but if stupidity stops male genital mutilation it's a small win

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 37 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I took Tylenol after my circumscision; how am I not double autistic?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Two autisms cancel each other out because they have opposite polarities. It's basically some science.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago

So if they re-circumcised their penis then it's back to autism?

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

The buff doesn’t stack.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

You are. Sorry to be the one to break the news.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That's only of paracetamol is the analgesic used while chopping

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Looking back on medicine’s understanding of mental conditions, where things got lumped into ridiculous categories like “idiocy,” and then treated with lobotomies, it’s extremely easy to imagine that we are far from understanding it all.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 19 points 2 months ago

Idiocy is still a huge problem though.

[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Based on a couple responses, I think it is important to remember that science depends upon testing of hypotheses, no matter how "obvious" they may seem. We are not the armchair philosophers of yesteryear.

Now that we're starting to establish that autism may be a whole series of conditions, (which will still need further validation and hence more studies of the exact same thing) we can start identifying them in order to better understand them.

[–] Katrisia@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We are not the armchair philosophers of yesteryear.

Ironically, a big problem here is philosophical.

The autism spectrum was formed from reuniting different disorders and proposing a board neurodevelopmental category in which symptoms may vary widely from individual to individual. That was ontology informing nosology. Now we are seeking patterns again within this spectrum and finding a different number of them depending on which criteria we focus on. This is again a matter of abstract categorization, prioritizing some concepts over others, defining entities beforehand: philosophy again.

The latest study that was very popular found four categories considering age in which DSM-5 symptoms appear, and 'cluster' and severity of said symptoms. Those four categories still don't explain the PDA profile or the giftedness comorbidity that seems to actually change the cognitive patterns of classic ASD such as the preference for concrete thinking and the black and white (polarized) thinking, probably because behavioral and cognitive patterns weren't an important axis here.

Horribly said, the preliminary work in nosology is philosophical. I guess in all sciences. We often make our minds about what we are searching for before starting to empirically searching for it; and then the findings channel another series of scrambling concepts, updating hypothesis, etc.

Funnily enough, the philosophical weight only grows when the brain is part of the enigma (entire branches of philosophy dedicated to the "mind", the brain, etc.). Armchair philosophers' work again so that the field work is actually well designed/directed and meaningful in the ways we want it to be.

Let's not reduce the role philosophy has in current times, please.

[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

I was speaking of philosophy not as it is today, but as it was - a precursor to "science" before the word even existed.

Armchair philosophers are a historical creature - they sat in their armchairs and deduced how the world works without getting up from their chairs to test any of their assumptions.

The armchair philosophers I am talking about have little to nothing in common with modern philosophers.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No shit sherlock.

Autism isn't one thing, it's an umbrella term for tons of different degrees and various behaviors that often overlap with and co-minging with other neurological conditions. Oftentimes it's barely differentiable.

[–] GenderNeutralBro 9 points 2 months ago

Almost like it's a spectrum. Wild idea, I know.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But, but but, what about Tylenol? /s

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

That's it, next time i can't be bothered to make another uncomfortable phone call I'm using the Tylenol™ Defense®

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 27 points 2 months ago

How many autisms fit in one tylenol? How many vaccines in an autism?

[–] Cargon@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

We prefer the term Acetaminophen-Americans.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Me: I got my MMR boosted at 56, I take Tylenol, and I am circumcised. Now I have autism.

Friend: You had autism before.

Me: Oh! Right!

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same thing with ADHD. There are at least two distinct subtypes, but likely more.

[–] Katrisia@lemmy.today 2 points 2 months ago

And including CDS in the next DSM would help a lot. We need to identify people with the CDS profile as the things that work for them are (slightly) different from ADHD's.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

Too bad fash care about power and violent control, not science.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

There are many genes associated with autism, such as SCN2A, ANK2, and SHANK2. Any disruption to the gene expression of these genes can cause autistic traits. There are many diseases that disrupt these genes, and they can even have an effect after brain development.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 2 months ago
[–] Atkat@leminal.space 8 points 2 months ago

I see a lot of people pointing out how autism is a spectrum disorder, so it would have a bunch of different presentations already.

That's true of course, but spectrum disorders typically have a set of core symptoms, and regardless of your particular presentation you need to experience all or most of them to meet the criteria for an affirmative diagnosis.

For example, My partner and I both have ADHD; the two opposing classic "types", (inattentive and hyperactive). There are a number of symptoms that relate to his type that don't apply to me, and vice versa. We also have different ways we've grown up trying to compensate for our symptoms, so they have different effects on us.

Undeniably though, we both experience all 7 core symptoms.

If scientists are making this claim, they must be saying that their research on ASD suggests they found there to be no definite core symptoms.

It would be crazy dumb otherwise to announce their findings studying a spectrum disorder, if their findings were, "it appears to be a spectrum disorder".😂

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Oh wow, are we realizing the definition of a syndrome all of the sudden.

[–] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's the combo. Tylenol and circumcision.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So women can't be autistic eh? Good to know.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

See, you already sound like most of the medical community!

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You can circumcise a woman!

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

So they aren't Fae changelings after all?

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 months ago

Sure, I could listen to scientists about the complex nature of genes and brain development or I could listen to someone else. Someone like RJK Jr, a man whose brain literally has worms in it. Whose boss, Trumpie, whose brain is turning into mush.

Check mate scientists.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Isn't that why we call it a syndrome? I mean, that's something that everyone with a bit insight in the matter knows.

[–] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I frankly find it stupid how every type of autism has converted under ASD without really any distinction apart from support needs I believe, like someone with very mild low support needs autism gets the same benefits as a very high support needs low functioning autist.

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[–] individual@toast.ooo 3 points 2 months ago

might be a little early in the history of science and health as phenomenons to make full conclusions

[–] Zier@fedia.io 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So I should stop taking Tylenol? Crap! What if I smear Ivermectin all over my face, will that work? Or will it just make me a republican.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Maybe if you smear it on your genitals you can re-grow your foreskin.

[–] sosso@lemmy.pt 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Autism is an evolutionary regulation. I am labelled as autistic by the bourgeois psychiatry. Sad thing, it is called a 'disorder'. Now, back to why it is an evolutionary regulation: those who diverge are the ones who prevail when normality suddenly disappears; the non-divergent mindset can't handle it. Even though our own virtues are also our doom, nature keeps giving birth to us.

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