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A few years ago my older brother told me that at our Thanksgiving and Christmas family dinners he fills a powerade bottle with red wine. For years I never noticed. I remembered thinking "good for him, avoiding all the soda and bringing his own healthy drink" lol. I was still scared to try it myself, but it went fine, and the last time I used a pomegranate juice bottle instead. I love red wine, and with big family dinners with 40+ people of all ages and hours long, it REALLY helps me enjoy myself. Plus, I can take a sip during the prayer and that's cathartic for some reason.

But there are problems... Wine has a pretty strong smell and strongly discolors your tongue and teeth. I do NOT want to get caught and end up killing my grandma with shock. Also, I'd love having enough to share with my cousins who've left the church, so something stronger would be nice.

I've been thinking about this a lot this holiday season and here's some things I'd like to achieve:

  • Super covert. Where even my smart aunt wouldn't think twice.
  • A shareable amount. Maybe not where we could all get buzzed, but a few sips.
  • Variety - I love making different cocktails, and like showing them to my Exmo family. So I don't want to be tied to purple forever.

Some ideas I've had:

  • A thermos or opaque water bottle and just hope it's not suspicious.
  • Invent some two chambered bottle that only pours alcohol if a button is pressed
  • Find some clear cocktails and put them in clear water bottles
  • Maybe a hidden and silent flask that we can just pour liquor into our drinks
  • Color the inside of a bottle to look like it's full of the original beverage.
  • Just refill emptied soda cans. Or re-bottle some root beer bottles (I have a bottle cap press...)
  • Refill a kombucha bottle. This might work great because it can be whatever color I want since it's not recognizable, and since it's fermented tea it might ward off the TBMs

Also, I need a phrase I can say to ward off cousins who might ask for a sip, "that's not church-approved eggnog" for example πŸ˜‚


Edit: Thanks everyone for being concerned about alcoholism! It occurs to me that I should have specified that I'm not a heavy drinker... Even small amounts of alcohol wreck my sleep so I very literally only drink a couple times a month - at most. Always on a Friday night so I have maximum time to recover before work on Monday (I'm an absolute baby...) And no I'm not getting drunk on those Fridays. Just 1-3 drinks. Usually me experimenting with some new cocktail or wine since I know so little about them, but wish I did. I was drinking more often when alcohol was super new to me, but it just doesn't agree with me very much. I swear on my Seminary Graduation Degree πŸ˜‰ With that being said, I really enjoy drinking in social situations and the holidays feel perfect for that. Although... while I would never consider myself an alcoholic, pretty much all of my Mormon family would... 😁

This post is meant to ask for help with me challenging my family norms. Mormons in general, and especially my family, have a DEEP-rooted expectation of everyone pretending to still be Mormon when they visit. It was a huge fight a couple years ago for me not going to church with my parents when I visit ("it's such a small thing, can't you do it for me?" - it may be small, but this is a never-give-a-mouse-a-cookie situation). My parents freaked out at me this year (literal screaming and crying) because I wouldn't take out my earrings for the Christmas dinner (boys aren't supposed to have earrings according to Mormons). They asked me to wear long sleeves to cover my tattoo when I visit too. They also expect us exmo kids to abstain from coffee while visiting. I have to admit, I also don't drink coffee (or any caffeine) regularly, but when I'm home I make an effort to have some every day 😈 I literally drink decaf and pretend I need it lol. And at our family reunions, I'd been living with my girlfriend (now wife) for 3 years and every single one of my aunts asked me where she was sleeping tonight and every one of them was shocked that she'd be sleeping in my tent. "Don't you think that sets a bad example for your younger cousins?" - "Umm no. I think pretending to be someone you're not is probably setting a bad example though." (Although maybe in their eyes, they were right because the next family reunion two more of my cousins slept in the same tent as their non-married partners. I'm really happy about that though!)

So this post is just me wanting to be rebellious. Maybe that's childish and silly, but it's cathartic to me and exciting. Maybe some day they'll chill enough for some of us who've left the church to have a holiday drink, but it doesn't seem very likely right now.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Remember that alcohol is very detectable by smell

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

it is funny seeing the alcoholics think their smooth though

[–] Oka@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

Not to mention the slurring and sloppy emotions that follow

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah I was looking in to if there was breath spray or something that could help cover it up, but it doesn't seem like it'd do much. I will say that the goal is a buzz, not getting krunked. Or maybe the goal is really just to be rebellious. So this could be a limiting factor.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I love me some booze and I extra love seeing Mormons drink booze, but this feels like a "just be sober for the day, you'll survive" situation. Alcohol smells and makes you act different. If you're only having sips, then what's the point? Just to try to get away with it? I can actually support that from a sort of challenge perspective, but it feels like high risk, very little reward.

Also, if I know Mormons, and I have a couple in my family, most of the people at the gathering are doing the same. There's a joke a heard once... How do you keep a Mormon from drinking all of your alcohol? Invite two of them.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just to try to get away with it?

That's definitely the point for me! I've never been a heavy drinker. And to be cool for my other exmo cousins

Invite two of them.

This is super super true! Part of it is that those of us who've left the church are expected to act Mormon when we're home to visit though. I edited the bottom of my post going into some details if you're interested - middle paragraph

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's all good my dude. My brother converted because he met a Mormon girl. He sid his mission I'm with America for a couple years and returned a religious douche who's new lifestyle started to affect all of us. However, it only took a couple of years after return to start seeing the veil drop and small steps taken back to heathenism. He has some kids and eventually got a divorce because his ex fucked a bartender. For years he had to keep up appearances since as you know, in some Mormon families, you'll be basically kicked out of you don't capitulate.

I do have some amount of anecdotal experience with your situation, so I was also just making sure that your not putting yourself in a position that is someone smells wine in your breath that you get shit canned from the family.

And also I like poking fun of Mormons. I think all religion is a cancer, but with the personal exposure to Mormonism, the South Park episode where Mormon family moves to town, and the Broadway play, book of Mormon, there's just a lot of content to reference. I will say that most Mormon families I have met have been maybe a bit quirky, but almost all of them have been extremely pleasant.

Edit: Also, it's always sunny in Philadelphia did this. Empty diet Coke cans. Season 5, episode 4, The Gang Gives Frank an Intervention. Highly recommend for tips and trick.

[–] itsAsin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

i am the elder black sheep of my large mormon family and am proud of leading many of my cousins to the other side of the shore.

i salute you!

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I actually saw this as a recommendation when I was doing research πŸ˜‚

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This sounds less like an opportunity for "sharing with the other rebels" and more "trying to come up with excuses to keep drinking". You need to be careful here - this kind of behavior is very common among addicts.

Obviously we can't force you to do anything, but I would strongly suggest just leaving the alcohol at home and tough it out. Talk the talk for the night, or suddenly fall "ill" and just not go.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Sorry if it sounded that way! My bad. I am not addicted to alcohol and only drink a couple times a month, at most. And basically never heavily (1-3 servings).

I didn't mean to sound desperate to bring alcohol where I struggle to - just want to challenge my family and be rebellious. Religion is everything to them and there is a huge expectation for "the kids" to Mormon-up when we go home to visit (no coffee, attend church, I have ear rings as a guy and my mom was freaking out at me for not taking them out "it's such a small thing, why can't you just do this for me" my answer is because it's a small thing and who I am and I don't want to pretend I still go to church every holiday)

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

This is a common theme, so I edited the bottom of my post. Thanks again for your concern though!!

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You might not be in this boat, op. But, when you start needing to hide the alcohol, or feeling like you need the alcohol, that might be evidence of a problem.

[–] bonenode@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're not wrong but OP seems to want to this to endure his time at Mormon festivities. I don't know anything about Mormons but I guess they don't allow alcohol there? If you are not part of the church and need to be at such an event I can understand the need for it. Could of course just stay away, but it is still his family, so whatcanyado.

Just hope OP, that you are not asked to drive anywhere by anyone.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah I would never drink and drive! I usually am crashing at my parents house when I visit and we all carpool to whoever is hosting this year so it works out fine.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

This is a common theme among replies, so I edited the bottom of my post. Thanks for your concern though!!

[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Poweraid a "health drink"?Β  Now that's the liquid version of soaking.

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[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Now days I know better 😁 But at the same time, compared to the amount of soda my family drinks...

[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What do you think makes soda any worse than power aid health wise? A power aid has 20g of sugar in every serving.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I meant to say that now days I know powerade isn't actually a health drink. But growing up Mormon and soda being so common, anything that didn't have 40g of sugar seemed healthy πŸ˜…

[–] dumbass@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
  • Invent some two chambered bottle that only pours alcohol if a button is pressed

What ya need is something like an assassin's teapot thing, I know Vsauce had a water bottle version of it their subscription box thing, might be able to buy one.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Woah, that is so cool! I think I'll buy one, even if I won't be able to think of an excuse to bring it to family dinner πŸ˜‚ It'd work perfectly for sharing with exmo and TBM cousins! Would be a little funny if the drinks were different colors though!

[–] turdburglar@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

man just get some weed gummies and call it a day. maybe slip one to grandma and your smart aunt.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's what my sister does, but I seem to throw up from any amount of weed... Like for an hour. Kinda a bummer. But I think I'm realizing that my goal is rebelliousness more than inebriation anyway

[–] turdburglar@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

well that’s a bummer.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Alcoholics used to buy root beer nips at the liquor store I worked at, because root beer is a super strong smell, so they’d just mix them together and drink at work without people noticing.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Smell is a pretty big problem... Maybe some food chasers would help a bit for my breath, and a resealable bottle...

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Something stronger to share with the cousins would be nice.

Bring extra but I wouldn’t recommend anything stronger for the newbies.

[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Your text sounds concerning.
What's your everyday alcohol consumption?

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is a common reply so I edited the bottom of my post! Thanks for your concern though!!

Just buy another colorful sports drink, pour out a shot or two's worth of it and refill with an equal amount of vodka or rum, and voila you have a discreet cocktail.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They likely know you are drinking but don't tell you.

Would you like to being anxious about that all day?

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

My family is the type who doesn't go to weddings that have alcohol. So I doubt they know... It'd be very cool of them if they were that way, but openly drinking in front of them isn't gonna be an option and I just want to be rebellious 😈

[–] Cricket@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Now that you've cleared up that you're not an alcoholic, wine seems like far from ideal for your intended purpose. I would look into flavored drinks based on vodka (which is odorless) or make your own. Just as an example, I tried this canned vodka iced tea recently, and you can't even tell that it has alcohol, even though it has around the same amount of alcohol by volume as the average light beer: https://www.drinksuncruiser.com/

There are other "hard" vodka iced teas out there too, as well as sodas and juiced-flavored drinks. Look around that section of your local liquor store, or just pour a little vodka into your favorite non-alcoholic drink.

BTW, regarding what you responded to someone else about cannabis edibles, what amount of THC was in what you tried? A lot of edibles out there have a LOT of THC, which is really not intended for people who have not already built a tolerance for it. I would recommend starting with something with less than 5 mg of THC, ideally around 2-3 mg, and then work up from that. I'm like you in that I only use alcohol or cannabis once or twice a month. In the last few years I have mostly switched to edibles because they're less bad for your health. One 5mg gummy, which costs around one or two dollars around here, is enough for me all night while I'm out. You would never want to drive if you take any THC though, because I don't believe there are any blood levels that are considered safe for that. Alcohol would be safer for that as long as you keep it under the legal limit (generally, I've heard about one drink per hour, but do your own research). The effects of alcohol also clear from your system much quicker than cannabis. I understand the effects of edibles last for up to 6 hours.

Edit: if you decide to go with a pre-mixed commercial drink, search for articles on the best ones to help narrow your search. There are several articles like that online.

[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Great ideas!

And with THC, I've tried a few times with a few different doses and always ended up either feeling nothing, or sick for hours. The gummies I tried were 5mg and the first day I took one and felt nothing, two the next day and nothing, 3 the next day and super sick for hours.

I tried smoking in case it would be different; I took two puffs and held my breath for both of them. Pretty quickly my throat went numb and I started vomiting.

Then my sister came to visit and she was gonna guide me on doses and what not. 5mg gummies again, same pattern of getting sick once I took 15mg on the third day (and feeling nothing from 5 or 10 mg doses).

All of these were years apart, and I've heard that weed doesn't get you high the first time, so I don't know if that affects me not feeling anything at doses that affect my siblings. I also read online that some people just don't get high from weed, so maybe I'm one of them; and when I keep upping the dose I eventually just get sick. I actually have gummies in my crawlspace for my sister when she visits, so I could try a low dose a few days in a row, but I'm super worried about getting sick again πŸ˜…

As far as driving goes, my wife always offers to be my designated driver. I still feel too inexperienced with alcohol to be able to judge once I've sobered up enough to safely drive.

[–] Cricket@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks!

Sorry to hear. It sounds like you could be either allergic or immune to getting high from cannabis, although I've never heard of either of those being a thing before. I've also never heard that about weed not getting you high the first time either. In any case, I'm not in any way knowledgeable or experienced about this stuff. :) Better to consult with more knowledgeable people (I'm sure there's a Lemmy comm for it) if you're still interested in trying. I can totally understand being worried about getting sick from it!

That's great that you have a designated driver! Definitely a smart move.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] UnPassive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'd be too nervous to be seen taking a drink πŸ˜