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Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.

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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

As a European I am baffled the civil war has not even started yet.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

It's crazy right? Especially since americans were so vocal about all of the amendments and chekcs and balances for decades which turned out to mean absolutely nothing.

[–] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Nobody wants to start it because the consequences would be huge and right now sitting around doing nothing is still possible.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Indeed!

But doing nothing did and does validate what he is doing.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

If they decide to follow this memo and actual law enforcement do not care, sitting around doing nothing will not remain an option.

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It just need someone snapping and starts shooting ICE. Then all hell will break loose. IIRC there's some political scientists doing a simulation on how a civil war might start in modern America and it's eerily similar to what's been going on right now. There's only two steps left, someone shooting ICE and then the federal government starts sending troops to take over State and clashing between federal military and the national guard.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How would you even simulate something that relies almost entirely on non-deterministic human behaviours?

[–] Jako302@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At least from an outside perspective it seems like the consequence are inevitable. Sitting around only delays everything and increases the overall suffering.

Yeah, I should mention that my perspective is very much an outside one. I've never been to the American continent. But I think a lot of us are tired of nothing happening even if it's better than the alternative in the short term.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Civil war = no midterm elections = Trump win.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I know, he's also hoping for it. There is no good solution. He will just go on.

[–] Bazell@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago
[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The Nazis ruled Germany for 12 years. The Gestapo believed that they were untouchable. In the end, the leader was dead by suicide, the senior officers tried and executed, the junior officers hunted, tried, convicted, and executed, imprisoned or murdered, and those who weren't caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.

I'm just saying.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.

this is actually untrue in some cases. Some really made the getaway to Latin America and literally got away with it.

Josef Mengele is the worst for multiple reasons. He got married under his own name, WENT BACK TO GERMANY UNDER HIS REAL PASSPORT IN HIS REAL NAME ON HOLIDAY AND RETURNED, and died in a swimming accident after a normal lifespan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#In_South_America

Mengele worked as a carpenter in Buenos Aires while lodging in a boarding house in the suburb of Vicente López.[95] After a few weeks, he moved to the house of a Nazi sympathizer in the neighborhood of Florida Este. He next worked as a salesman for his family's farm equipment company, Karl Mengele & Sons, and in 1951, he began making frequent trips to Paraguay as a regional sales representative for the firm.[96] He moved into an apartment in central Buenos Aires in 1953, used family funds to buy a part interest in a carpentry concern, and then rented a house in the suburb of Olivos in 1954

After obtaining a copy of his birth certificate through the West German embassy in 1956, Mengele was issued an Argentine foreign residence permit under his real name. He used this document to obtain a West German passport using his real name and embarked on a trip to Europe.[99][100] He met with his son Rolf (who was told Mengele was his "Uncle Fritz")[101] and his widowed sister-in-law Martha for a ski holiday in Switzerland. He also spent a week in his home town of Günzburg.[102][103] When he returned to Argentina in September 1956, Mengele applied for and received an Argentinian identity card under the name José Mengele, a variation of his real name

Martha and her son Karl Heinz followed about a month later, and the three began living together. Josef and Martha were married in 1958 while on holiday in Uruguay, and they bought a house in Buenos Aires

Rolf, who had not seen his father since the ski holiday in 1956, visited him at the bungalow in 1977; he found an "unrepentant Nazi" who claimed he had never personally harmed anyone and only carried out his duties as an officer.[138]

On 7 February 1979, while visiting his friends Wolfram and Liselotte Bossert in the coastal resort of Bertioga,[140] Mengele had a second stroke while swimming and drowned.

Just to remind you, this is Josef "The angel of death" Mengele, who experimented on human beings for funsies and just to see what would happen. The guy that Slayer wrote their biggest hit around. This prick got away with it all, learnt nothing, had no shame AND WENT BACK TO GERMANY ON HOLIDAY.

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[–] flamingleg@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

plenty of nazis ended up in nasa, in the UN and in argentina

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Plenty also ended up as politicians in West Germany or running NATO.

Denazification was a myth. Priorities shifted to dealing with the Soviets after WWII.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

How many rocket scientists do you think are working at ICE?

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[–] PointyFluff@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

2A, kids. Don't peacefully get on that fucking train.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

That's funny, because I say I can shoot someone for an armed unlawful entry. So either the law is on my side, or the laws are illegitimate and are irrelevant anyway. I guess we'll just have to disagree.

[–] spacesatan@leminal.space 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can't wait for dems to retake power eventually and do absolutely nothing to prosecute these criminals. 'We have to promote unity to heal the divide.'

If the dems were worth a damn they would be loudly shouting from the rooftops 'when we control the levers of power you will be held accountable for violating the constitution'

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 days ago (5 children)

"ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes . . . "

I've got a gun that says they can't.

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

THEY say they can...the law and the constitution says they can't. Honestly, it is going to take some bad encounters for they to realize they are wrong, and when the encounters go bad, the dictator will mobilize other options he is trying to use.

It is a Rittenhouse strategy. Premeditated self-defense on a national scale.

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[–] itistime@infosec.pub 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Fight back! But consider:

  1. Why do they want direct violence with their thugs?
  2. Direct violence with ICE leads to direct violence with police, MAGA civi-thugs and military.
  3. Would MAGA base have the same violent and visceral reaction if violent events happened to wealthy folks whom they probably never heard of who live in disconnected realities from their own??? A thought tickles my mind that maybe they would not. Maybe it’s a pathway…
[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Direct violence with ICE leads to direct violence with police

ICE is a police force. So it'd already be with police.

[–] itistime@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

You know what I mean: city, county, state

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

What about this memo that says they can’t? It also states we can bear arms to protect ourselves from tyranny so… check mate Nazis

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

They clearly abandoned their oaths at all levels, so that document doesn't mean anything anymore if everybody willfully ignores it daily. At that point, it's just ink on a paper that is just barley better than a spill.

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[–] mrslt@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Cool. Guess what the 2nd Amendment says?

[–] Ydna@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Find some friends and don't go it alone in Minecraft!

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[–] USSEthernet@startrek.website 18 points 2 days ago
[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 230 points 3 days ago (13 children)

So just to be clear. The EPA cannot make regulations despite full congressional authority to do so because that is "creating law" without a direct legislative process. But ICE, an agency that doesn't even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 142 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What exactly is the point of a judicial warrant if the executive branch can determine when they're unnecessary?

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

A memo????

Ha!

A lot of these guys are going to be killed.

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