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I’m still mad at nabisco for adding soy to the Oreo recipe. And Nilla wafers.
They were my only safe cookies I didn’t have to bake myself and weren’t exorbitantly priced like “organic” brands. Now I have to pay like $8+ for a tiny pack of off brand “sandwich cookies” 😭
What's the issue with soy? Just an allergy?
Yes, I have a soy allergy lol.
I think it’s in the top 7-8 common food allergies in the US, at least.
.3% of the general population.
"Just an allergy" :-/
I think they meant as opposed to a larger ethical issue that affects everyone, but I agree it was a little too nonchalant.
Ah, yes. As someone who developed a shopping-list's worth of allergies after turning 35, I guess I couldn't even conceive of a different interpretation
There's no "just" about allergies, unfortunately.
One of my partners has FND and allergies/sensitivities to some super common shit that gives them seizure like symptoms.
You have no idea how hard it is to work around a combined yeast/coconut/vinegar restriction....
Two things can make Oreos not vegan:
It's called "creme" because there's no cream involved, and regular chocolate is inherently vegan.
Sadly, Oreos appear to no longer be vegan - at least in right now, in Germany. For foods like cookies, instant noodles, and similar foods that are usually made in huge factories with a lot of other products, you'd see a note telling that the product may contain traces of xyz. A couple years back, you'd see that note on a pack of Oreos, ie. "may contain traces of milk" and possibly some nuts or something. These days, it says "may contain milk" which is an important distinction to make. Apparently, the factory gives themselves the leeway to substitute parts of the vegan ingredients with non-vegan ones if it's more financially viable to them. The usual formula might be vegan, but you'd have no way of knowing if this particular batch happens to not have any non-vegan ingredients in them
This isn't a legal loophole, the disclaimer is just unregulated and might not hold up in court. All ingredients have to be listed under ingredients, if they're contained:
https://www.lebensmittelklarheit.de/fragen-antworten/unterschied-kann-spuren-von-und-kann-xy-enthalten
That being said, I, too, started avoiding Burger King, when their allergy information sheet contained all three versions of this disclaimer. ("May contain", "May contain traces of" and "May be cross contained with")
You're saying, in Germany, that the ingredients list is a lie if the package contains an allergy warning?
Ediacarium left out an important word from the article they cited: “All purposefully added ingredients have to be listed under ‘ingredients’”. This does not include accidental cross-contamination.
The reason why produces seem to be moving away from the phrase ‘traces of’ is because it might lead the consumer to get a wrong picture of how much contamination happened. From the article:
“‘May contain traces of…’ can give the impression that allergens are contained inadvertently and only in small amounts, but that may not be the case for chunky contaminants like nuts.”
The usual formula might be vegan, but you'd have no way of knowing if this particular batch happens to not have any non-vegan ingredients in them
[X] Doubt
You're basically saying it's ok to lie about the ingredients if it's financially cheaper than using the ingredients listed, which sounds like weapons grade horseshit.
Never heard of that loophole before, got a source for me to read more?
Oh, really? They taste like chemicals though
They are just a shit version of Bourbon biscuits.
The trans-fats used to cover the taste of chemicals, now that they're removed it's just naked.
Good reminder that preservatives and sugar are vegan I guess.
In the US, a lot of sugar is processed with bone char, which makes it non-vegan.
To be a little pedantic: That's just plant-based...ism? Veganism isn't inherently about food (although that is a big part of it ofc :3 )
What did plants ever do to you?!?!
In both EU countries I lived, the cheapest cookies used to be cream-(or rather creme-)filled sandwich cookies. They were completely vegan and cheaper than most bread. There was nothing bad in them at all (excluding palm fat I guess).
There's always a few products like that to be found on the bottom shelves - the cheapest and miraculously also one of the best.
oreos are shit biscuits.
It's the sugar that makes them shit, even if you take exception to nothing else.
Its also gluten free
Fairly certain Oreos are made with non vegan sugar.
I didn't know sugar could be non-vegan.
White cane sugar is processed through ~~bonemeal~~ bone char to make it white.
In Europe we use mostly sugar beets as base for sugar production. As far as I'm aware it's processing is vegan. So it depends where they produce it and source their ingredients.
That doesn't make sense. Sugar is cooked to separate the molasses from the sucrose and the resulting clear sugar is what appears white. Bone meal would cause weird crystals nucleation around the powdered bone and sugar crystals would look uneven, like a chalky Sugar In The Raw large grain.
I would love to learn more about how white sugar keeps a uniform shape after bone meal processing. Food science is fascinating. Have a link?
Sorry, it is bone char that is used, not bone meal.
https://explainthat.org/is-white-sugar-vegan-the-truth-about-bone-char/
Twinsies, almost.
BTW that's only for sugar from cane sugar. In Europe we mostly use sugar beets and the processing is a little different
While I don't know about Oreos, ingredients also vary by region. A number of products have different ingredient lists depending on if you buy them in Canada or the US. So something that ~~is~~ could be considered vegan/vegetarian in one region, ~~is not~~ does not meet the requirements in the other region.
It never occurred to me that people think the white stuff in Oreos is cream.