askchapo

I think we're both saying the same thing here ey

Literally thousands of green activists have died or disappeared just in the last 10 years and IIRC it was worse in the 00's.

I do not doubt this at all but I am wondering if you have any good sources that go into detail with examples and names?

It started with Roswell. They were obviously testing classified aircraft, but because a bunch of people thought aliens were involved, they ran with it so every conspiratorial plot has two narratives: the official narrative where there's nothing suspicious (it was a weather balloon) and the official crank narrative (it was an alien spacecraft) while the most plausible explanation (it was classified research) gets pushed off the stage by the first two narratives.

You see this with 9/11. There's the official narrative (al-Qaeda hates the US because the US has freedom) and the official crank narrative (the US blew up the towers with a controlled demolition) when there's far more explanations than "the CIA didn't know about al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda didn't know that the CIA didn't know about al-Qaeda" and "the CIA rigged three buildings with explosives."

Hell, they're even trying to do this with Epstein. The official narrative is that Epstein killed himself. The official crank narrative they're trying to push is that uh aktually Epstein didn't die and is still alive. Both narratives take up space for what actually happened, which is that US intelligence liquidated an asset when the asset outlived their usefulness and became a liability.

Conspiracy is a legitimate concept in law: the collusion of two or more people pursuing illegal means to effect some illegal or immoral end. People go to jail for committing conspiratorial acts. Conspiracies are a matter of public record, and some are of real political significance. The Watergate break-in was a conspiracy, as was the Watergate cover-up, which led to Nixon’s downfall. Iran-contra was a conspiracy of immense scope, much of it still uncovered. The savings and loan scandal was described by the Justice Department as “a thousand conspiracies of fraud, theft, and bribery,” the greatest financial crime in history.

Often the term “conspiracy” is applied dismissively whenever one suggests that people who occupy positions of political and economic power are consciously dedicated to advancing their elite interests. Even when they openly profess their designs, there are those who deny that intent is involved. In 1994, the officers of the Federal Reserve announced they would pursue monetary policies designed to maintain a high level of unemployment in order to safeguard against “overheating” the economy. Like any creditor class, they preferred a deflationary course. When an acquaintance of mine mentioned this to friends, he was greeted skeptically, “Do you think the Fed bankers are deliberately trying to keep people unemployed?” In fact, not only did he think it, it was announced on the financial pages of the press. Still, his friends assumed he was imagining a conspiracy because he ascribed self-interested collusion to powerful people.

At a World Affairs Council meeting in San Francisco, I remarked to a participant that U.S. leaders were pushing hard for the reinstatement of capitalism in the former communist countries. He said, “Do you really think they carry it to that level of conscious intent?” I pointed out it was not a conjecture on my part. They have repeatedly announced their commitment to seeing that “free-market reforms” are introduced in Eastern Europe. Their economic aid is channeled almost exclusively into the private sector. The same policy holds for the monies intended for other countries. Thus, as of the end of 1995, “more than $4.5 million U.S. aid to Haiti has been put on hold because the Aristide government has failed to make progress on a program to privatize state-owned companies” (New York Times 11/25/95).

Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: “Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?” For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together – on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot – though they call it “planning” and “strategizing” – and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people.

Michael Parenti, Dirty Truths

idk if you were the CIA/military then the act of firing missile would be easier than executing a successfully hijacking the plane and crashing into the pentagon, if you didn't care about the cover-up

The main evidence for the missile theory is the lack of plane-like debris and the frames missing from the surveillance videos from across the street, and in the available footage its not entirely clear that the object striking the pentagon is a plane

Personally I agree that overall the plane would be easier if the cover-up is included: having to fake a flight and dealing with all the victims would make it easier to actually hijack and crash a plane

Regardless I think their is something suspicious with the pentagon attack specifically: the turn the supposed hijacker (who was apparently the worst pilot out of a group of terrible pilots) executed just before the crash is apparently a very difficult manoeuvre to pull off that even experienced pilots would have difficulty performing, and that the plane(or whatever) crashed into a large area of the pentagon that was undergoing renovation at the time and was practically unoccupied

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77#Crash this section of the wikipedia article has a description of the turn(you can find articles elsewhere explaining how weird it is, and there's yt videos with visualisations) and the video(which on watching for the first time in years I can definitely see how people lean into the missile theory)