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Joseph Stalin was a communist leader inspired by Leon Trotsky

Trotsky was a communist revolutionary and intellectual. He once wrote "In politics, obtaining power and maintaining power justifies anything" in his book "Leur morale et la nôtre"*

In this book, Trotsky justifies the use of lies, infiltration of other political parties, smearing, even hostage taking. He says absolute ruthlesness is necessary to overthrow a hostile system and wield power. He concludes "We are acting for the greater good. We can't be restrained by normal morality".

Joseph Stalin took Trotsky's advice literally. So he murdered Trotsky because he saw him as rival. Stalin also started killing people because he believed they could be sympathetic to capitalism or opponents to his power.

Even the secret police themselves were not safe

Everybody was absolutely terrified during this period. At least 500 000 people were murdered. Over 1 million people were deported to Gulags, secret prisons in Siberia, where they worked 12 hours a day.

Joseph Stalin decided to crush Ukraine for resisting communism and supporting independance. In 1933, he seized all Ukraine's food production [with his giant spoon] including all the bread, the wheat, the cows, the chicken. In the next months, over 5 million Ukrainians were starved to death. The situation was so bad that thousands of people turned to cannibalism. When the Nazis invaded Ukraine, some Ukrainians thought they were saviors

Hitler was a monster, but we really don't talk enough about how bad Stalin was.

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 13 minutes ago

Hitler was a monster, but we really don’t talk enough about how bad Stalin was.

Lol these people make these slander posts of Stalin more often than they think of Hitler.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 minutes ago

Some Ukrainians thought the nazis were saviours.

Yes, that would be the fascists.

[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 9 points 4 hours ago

I thought it was a modified title in the Hexbear to kick the original post but no it unironically claims USSR killed people randomly, how do people actually live like this? Ah, well, they do, if their beliefs about USSR are already bent so to the right to begin with

Similar with how Moscow shut the internet off except some government apps, there is really no material case for this to occur outside of their claims of preventing drone attacks; there had been attacks conducted far far away into Siberia by Ukraine too, so this stands ground as a defence for internet blackouts, yet the videos I saw mock the concept, and tout it simply as government censorship because they hate citizens or something, despite Russia losing millions a day by doing this, they don't want to do it either FFS, use materialism for once holy shit I'm gonna go crazy

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 12 points 5 hours ago

Lemmyworld continuing on 1930 nazi propaganda work, making the bots at reddit-logo proud.

he seized all Ukraine's food production [with his giant spoon] including all the bread, the wheat, the cows, the chicken. In the next months

just like me at the buffet fr, fr.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 43 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Randomly

why would anyone do it randomly you're making him sound like a fucking batman villain lmao

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 5 points 5 hours ago

:joker-stalin:

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 36 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

That's the point, it's to dehumanise him, make him into a cartoonishly evil buffoon that you'd have to be a monster to want to say anything positive about. That way anyone trying to educate someone on Stalin or the USSR just ends up being brick walled and dismissed out of hand for supporting an "evil monster"

It sounds goofy, but it is effective at inoculating people against education.

[–] whiskers165@hexbear.net 2 points 20 minutes ago

Exact same trick they use to smear China. I can hear it now, verbatim the same line from multiple libs, "but don't they have some human rights abuses?" Completely short circuits their thinking, not receptive to anything you say

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 28 points 16 hours ago

It doesn't help that there are capitalists like Netanyahu acting as literal walking genocidal villains today.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 40 points 16 hours ago

Over 1 million people were deported to Gulags, secret prisons in Siberia, where they worked 12 hours a day.

This one is very funny, because most of the work prisoners in gulags did was to farm and build housing for themselves, to literally make their prison experience more tolerable. It's not like modern US prisons where they are used as slave labour. Also, 12 hours a day would've seemed like an amazing improvement for factory workers in the west at the time.

I love how every time they get close to an actual "fact" about how bad the Soviet Union was, it often wasn't that bad, or was bad, but nowhere near as bad as literally any capitalist country on earth at the time. Probably why they just lie nonstop most of the time, because any actual factoid they remove from context, once put into the context of what was going on at the time, makes both the USSR and Stalin seem actually pretty reasonable or at least understandable.

I think the most hilarious thing about all of this is trying to blame Trotsky for creating Stalin, like that is a double whammy of pissing off both MLs and Trots, at once, that is hard to do, well done.

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 79 points 18 hours ago (4 children)
[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 38 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 22 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Just so you know, some of us are ACE and ACE-adjacent, so we don't jerk off to the idea of stuff like this, we just get filled with ecstatic glee at the thought of tearing it apart.

[–] ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net 5 points 2 hours ago

Do people usually mean that literally? I thought it was figurative like with circlejerk subreddits...

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 23 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I can appreciate blood lust too

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 minutes ago

I'm a vegan! No animal products; check the labels.

I got a freezer full of reactionaries in my basement

Certified plant-based breakfast. long pork dinner

This shit ain't nothing to me man dracula-flow

[–] DogThatWentGorp@hexbear.net 61 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

shrug-outta-hecks Like looking at a pond and saying how much frogs are gonna love the water I'm afraid

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 23 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] DogThatWentGorp@hexbear.net 9 points 9 hours ago
[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 36 points 17 hours ago

even when we're right we're wrong

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 87 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Wow thanks, I've never heard any of this before except from the entire mainstream media all my life

Hitler was a monster, but we really don't talk enough about how bad Stalin was.

hitler-detector

[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 8 points 7 hours ago

we really don't talk enough about how bad Stalin was

At this point you'd include a rant about Stalin in a wedding toast

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 42 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Glad to see the CIA is embracing open source software now instead of Reddit, good for them

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 11 points 8 hours ago

Yesterday: judge rules that radio liberty shutdown was illegal

Today:

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 28 points 16 hours ago
[–] edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space 30 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

where they worked 12 hours a day.

oh hey I nearly missed that.

quoting Сталинские стройки ГУЛАГа, 1930-1953, eds Кокурин А.И. & Ю.Н. Моруков, page 61

Приказом начальника Дмитлага № 10 от 9 октября 1932 г. были объявлены сле­ дующие правила внутреннего распорядка жизни лагеря:

подъем в 5 часов 30 минут;

завтрак с 5 часов 45 минут до 6 часов 30 минут;

развод на работу с 6 часов 30 минут до 7 часов;

рабочий день с 7 до 17 часов;

обед с 17 до 19 часов;

с 19 до 22 часов — время, предоставленное для работы КВЧ;

с 22 часов 5 минут — отбой и сон.

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By Order No. 10 of the Dmitlag Commander dated October 9, 1932, the following internal camp regulations were announced:

wake-up at 5:30 a.m.;

breakfast from 5:45 a.m. to 6:30 a.m.;

Assembly for work from 6:30 a.m. to 7:00 a.m.;

Workday from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.;

Dinner from 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.;

From 7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. — time allocated for [cultural and educational component] work;

From 10:05 p.m. — lights out and sleep.

So in this camp, in 1932, the labour day was 10 hours.

(КВЧ is "культурно-воспитательная часть")


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[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 27 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Oh hey, that's the one factoid I thought was actually based in reality. Turns out it was not, so literally every claim they made was just a flat out lie. Weird how anti-communists keep doing that.

[–] edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space 18 points 16 hours ago

Here on page 2 (3 of the PDF) is another camp (1951-1955) that also had 10 hour shifts: https://web.archive.org/web/20230328014642/https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80T00246A032000400001-1.pdf


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[–] mouseirl@lemmy.ml 75 points 18 hours ago

When the Nazis invaded Ukraine, some Ukrainians thought they were saviors

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 71 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

There's so much to pick apart here, but the last line really gets me:

Hitler was a monster, but we really don't talk enough about how bad Stalin was

This is soft Holocaust denial, and also completely fucking stupid. Stalin gets talked about so much, by dipshits like you. Were you born yesterday??

And then there's the lib shit in the comments

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 28 points 16 hours ago

Always the way with this sort of thing, they focus on how "bad" Stalin was while downplaying the crimes of the nazis, so they can get their foot in the door with "actually the nazis weren't that bad" sort of arguments. Anti-communism always leads to fascism sooner or later.

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 59 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Stalin was inspired by Leon Kennedy who genocided an entire spanish village to steal their gold and gems

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 39 points 18 hours ago

the holodomor was las plagas

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 51 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

Over 1 million people were deported to Gulags, secret prisons in Siberia

There were certainly people who were imprisoned secretly (usually high-profile figures, including Yezhov himself before his execution I think), but the gulags were by no means generally secret nor were most of the prisoners there, because it was literally just what ~~equivalent of the federal prison system was~~ penal labor camps with a sentence of 3 - 10 years were called for a period. (my bad, see Edie below)

Also, it's kind of weird to call sending someone to prison "deportation," since it's not like they were just dumped in the wild when their sentence was up, and if you want to accuse the Soviets of internal deportation, especially to Siberia, they did a ton of that shit and it was usually awful, but it's weird to use gulags as your example of it.

When the Nazis invaded Ukraine, some Ukrainians thought they were saviors

I once knew a self-described anarchist who said this. It is nothing short of Nazi apologia, because overwhelmingly the only Ukrainians who thought this were fascists and a huge proportion of the remaining population was immediately put on the chopping block. Did the Jews, Poles, and Russians and so on in Ukraine who were slaughtered by Nazis and Ukrainian fascists for being the Wrong Ethnicity feel liberated? Fucking freak shit.

I idly wonder where this specific talking point comes from, but also I feel like it'll just be useless psychic damage to find out, so I'm not really in a hurry for someone to tell me.

Edit 2: This person might just be a literal teenager, with this breathless Very Important news about the Great Terror like every single person in the US learns in school and/or from conservative think tanks or whatever.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 34 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

it was literally just what their equivalent of the federal prison system was called

Translated it's essentially the same name a bunch of states in the US call their prison systems too.

[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 27 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Much like "sharia" law. Foreign word = scary

[–] ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Just like all the Americans that want to bomb Agrabah for sounding too Muslim

[–] edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

because it was literally just what their equivalent of the federal prison system was called for a period.

It seems to me to slightly different than thatif you would consult the chart from chapter 10:

The etymology of GULAG is: "the acronym of Гла́вное управле́ние исправи́тельно-трудовы́х лагере́й (Glávnoje upravlénije ispravítelʹno-trudovýx lageréj, “Chief Administration of Corrective-Labor Camps”)" emphasis mine, as it corresponds directly to the above, specifically the camps under the O.G.P.U. These are where those with harsher sentences were sent, as seen in the chart (3-10 years)

Though, this nuance (as the libs love to say) is probably not to be found in the average person, so every kind of prison just gets called "gulag."


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[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I idly wonder where this specific talking point comes from

The CIA if I had to guess

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 12 points 15 hours ago

Well, the original original source is probably the Nazis themselves and the OUN-B, but I don't know who the modern purveyor of the myth is.

[–] wombat@hexbear.net 20 points 16 hours ago

stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin

[–] miz@hexbear.net 48 points 18 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 27 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

The greatest compliment any student can pay his master, is to surpass him.

pika-pickaxe

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 29 points 18 hours ago

this changes everythign

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 35 points 18 hours ago

This has the same vocabulary as a children's book

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 16 points 16 hours ago

Is this Yeonmi Park for the USSR?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 26 points 18 hours ago

I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy.

Rest in power, Comrade Stalin. 🫡

[–] RedNajm@hexbear.net 17 points 17 hours ago

I can't fucking handle this much slop condensed into one post, i'm sorry

[–] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 13 points 16 hours ago

Is that you Professor Jiang?

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