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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 42 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

The issue is that historically the authoritarian leftists (marxist-leninist groups) turn on every other leftist group the minute they gain power, rounding up anarchists or regular Marxists to either imprison or execute them.

It has happened very consistently, such as during the Russian Revolution, Chinese Revolution, Spanish Civil War, etc. Without that historical context it makes it seem like the infighting is over pointless squabbles, when in actuality it's Anarchists and Marxists trying to prevent people from being tricked into supporting an ideology that would result in yet another lethal purge and dictatorship were they to gain traction and political power.

Which, ya know, I think is a pretty reasonable concern.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. Tankies always assume left unity to mean everyone rolls over and submit to their authoritarianism. They are blocking left unity by betraying the other leftist groups as soon as they get power. Critical support for antifascism, but other than that I don't want tankies near me

[–] Planchette_Phantom@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago

Authoritarian communists are why "tankie" is still a valid insult.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but wasn't the betrayal, so to speak, of anarchists in China early during the united front against Japan? The communists weren't exactly the powerbrokers yet. I don't know a great deal about anarchism in China, so there could easily be another phase when the KMT and CPC were at war that anarchists were burned that I don't know about.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The CCP was hostile to Anarchists before 1949, but there is limited information on that period. Most Anarchists fled China when Mao took power, and the CCP later cracked down on anarchist-like egalitarian communes that began to form.

There was also a split within Maoism in the 60's that pointed out the revolution had just created a new elite bureaucratic class, and called for China to be remodeled on the Paris Commune. That group was violently suppressed by the state with the charge of 'Anarchism'.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 27 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Now do the same comic but replace the swastica with a hammer and sickle lol

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[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe the left right dichotomy is false and creates a presumption of two camps that doesn’t align with reality.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One of the two camps will be given power, so.

Yes and no?

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

You don’t understand if I create a party that’s never existed and get a lot of people who historically don’t vote to vote for it, it can be as big as a party as the two main ones.

Suggesting anything different means you love corporations, billionaires and genocide.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

really struggling to understand wtf this means??

if I create a party that’s never existed and get a lot of people who historically don’t vote to vote for it, it can be as big as a party as the two main ones.

so IF you create a party thats never existed (fairly easy), and IF you get non voters to vote for it (basically fucking impossible without corporations, billionaires and genocide), then it could be another major party?

is this what you meant? are you suggesting it is actually a simple process anyone can do because freedom or something?? go do it! go make the next major party, no one else has realised how simple it is for the last how many decades?

Suggesting anything different means you love corporations, billionaires and genocide

now because i think the systematic pressures of western imperial government are nearly impregnable to crack without mass movement of the people, you think i support genocide??

seriously, ive been struggling to understand the POV of this comment for about 10 minutes and it just seems like a mess of proto-ideology.

or is it just bullshit maggotty cum you spewed from your ass and i shouldn't think about garbage?

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago

I think he's just being a smartass. About 95% of his comments are satirically disingenuous. He's a troll, but in a good-natured way. Just imagine an "/s" at the end of every comment he posts and it'll make much more sense.

The joke here is that some tankie accounts actually talk that way unironically. I know that's not what he's doing because I've seen him talk shit to those people, and it's hilarious.

I used to think he was annoying until I caught on to what he was doing. Now he's like a landmark of the threadiverse and he's had some real zingers.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In the United States there are people who genuinely believe NATO is a leftist organization. (There are NATO countries that legalized gay marriage, unlike non-NATO countries. That is the kind of actual rationale, I am not kidding.)

We also have folks that truly believe socialism is fascism. (Citing the authoritarianism of Stalin.)

Which means we got people who are NATOist anti-communists who fully believe they are leftist anti-fa.

We have been wholly robbed of the means of coherent discourse that it is barely even infighting. It's just plain fighting.

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Shitlib. I'm the only real communist. I bet you don't even read theory.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

I will portray you as a crying soyjack on a political compass opposite of me, depicted as the chad. Literal praxis.

[–] BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The problem I have with this argument is that some people, that call themselves leftist aren't actually. They are just pro red-facism. And even if we just went along with them, they would eventually find a way to backstab us. Lennin killed all the anarchists.

I am really against working with these people, because you can't trust them to have basic principles. I am not saying, that we should actively fight them, as long as they are useful in fighting facism. But we should still critique them actively and not let them invade genuinely leftist spaces. Not only because they are not to be trusted, but also because they could scare of other reasonable people and / or make them think that leftism is when you like the Soviet Union.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not really an argument so much as an observation of how lemmy, and the fediverse in general seems to work.

[–] BennyTheExplorer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

There are a lot of people like that in real life, if that is what you mean

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I mean you have people who are pro-police and pro-military yet justify owning guns so they can overthrow the government.

The trick is to base your belief system on hating things you don’t like. That way you can ignore the completely contradictory tenets of the things you’re apparently fighting for.

[–] Planchette_Phantom@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's a MASSIVE difference between average Marxists, anarchists, and people who praise literal red fascists like Stalin.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

You will get routine defense of Lenin though, who wasn't much different from Stalin.

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Nothing has ever made more sense in the history of fiction than Andor's "fuck this shit, I'm done."

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Most of the infighting I see are between libertarian and authoritarian leftists. The difference between a left authoritarian and MAGAts is only a matter of degrees really.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ahh, that works a lot better!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Leftists aren’t infighting it’s the got-danged lie-burls!

They keep voting!

/s

[–] FatherPeanut@pawb.social 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There is some validity to this in debates, but when things start getting bad, the lefties all do seem to work together on what steps are taken. That does give me some level of optimism for change in the now, even if the future will have a divide again, I think many of us can agree that the future left-to-left divide is better than the current divide. For smaller examples, anarchists and Marxist-leninists would both be against rising fascism, and often attend similar protests. For larger examples, the anarchist and communist factions of Spain during the 1930s bonded together to fight Franco's nationalist faction. Now in all fairness, eventually the ML faction usurped the anarchists, but I'm not even gonna pretend to be smart enough to know if that's just the Soviet's influence, or communist governments in general.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Marxist-Leninism by its very nature will attempt to betray all other non-authoritarian friendly factions at some point, as the ideology at its core calls for centralized control under a 'vanguard', which inherently attracts people seeking dictatorial power.

The Spanish Marxist-leninist faction not only betrayed the Anarchists, but also an anti-stalinist Marxist faction, the POUM, as allowing them to remain would've made their consolidation of power more difficult. Instead, they called the POUM 'secret fascists' that were collaborating with the enemy, and laid the same claim on the Anarchists, to justify the purge.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Missing the faux-leftist righty maga hidden in anonymity, the Israeli bot, the China bot, and Russian bot stoking the majority of the flames to make genuine consensus unpalatable.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

Don't forget the American bot cosplaying as all three and doing its best to make all of them look as bad as possible.

Usually it's just some white supremacists/greedy hedonists in denial. Most "infighting" would die if they were just honest but they lie to everyone, themselves included ofc, so they can avoid the "evil/uncaring cunt" label.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 3 points 2 weeks ago

My question is, how did a peasant/uneducated workers movement become a part of intellectual elitism? Like, you shouldn't have to read a bunch of theory to be any kinds of leftist...

The right seems to get this. What's wrong with the left?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Why does the tankie there look like Vaush? He's still not one, he just has L opinions on certain stuff (e.g. state run age verification system).

[–] vepr_jako_pepr@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

No please don't post this stuff, the leninists are close to the nazis and deserve criticism!

[–] EyIchFragDochNur@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Because they're good enough to tolerate each other's opinions

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