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[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 hours ago

Whoever wrote this is an idiot.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

China couldn't give a shit about supposed US deterrence.
Henry knows that, he also knows that China receives the largest share of oil exports passing through the Strait of Hormuz, accounting for 37.7% of the trade route's total volume.
That is why they had their own blockade.

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And yet oil prices in China did not move once during the entirety of the US' bitchfit.

So...

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

So China compensated from other sources?
Used alternative energy sources?
Used reserves?

It proves only that the US plan failed.
That doesn't negate their motives

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 34 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

China: "Wow they're a lot less tough than we thought"

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They lost how many soldiers in that?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how many US imperial troops died, but they did lose a good amount of aircraft:

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So glad that American's voted for the "No more wars" president while hoping for a better cost of living.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The US is not a democracy, its a one-party capitalist empire, and even its controlled opposition wing wanted to go to war with Iran for a long time. The democrats under Biden also massively increased funding to Israel to help destroy palestine:

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Americans could have had socialized healthcare for what they've sent to Isreal to bomb poor brown people.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 37 points 19 hours ago

The US is basically a "this is good for bitcoin", but as a country.

Its slow, humiliating, public suicide is even more pathetic than great britain's.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

And as His Orangeness has said, Ghina is expensive.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 94 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

hey usa, china is building tons of high-speed rail. they're the leaders in decarbonizing their energy mix. they're building tons of housing to handle population growth. they're financing infrastructure projects in the global south. why not try beating them at all that?

no? just wars again? okay.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 38 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Chinese people own their homes too

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 21 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Even with more property rights. If you own a house and you don't want to sell it when they want to build a new highway, they build the highway surrounding your house, instead of expropriating you like in western countries.

[–] cowboykermit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

Not quite the same as it was to do with the landscape, but one of my personal favourites:

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 19 hours ago

tbh living there in the middle of a highway would be hell…

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 16 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I've never had to use the term 'Passive-Aggressive Infrastructure' before but I'm here for it and loving it

[–] tpyo@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago
[–] axx@slrpnk.net 7 points 19 hours ago

Fascinating as it may be, that's a pretty horrible picture.

Imagine living that house. It's a pretty stark demonstration of the state gets what it wants, one way or another.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 13 hours ago

Tell that to the farmhouse in the middle of the M62.

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 14 points 19 hours ago

How can people be so delusional?

"When their salary depends on it" is a decent first answer.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It is absolutely maddening to see American pundits defend every dumbshit, ruinous, genocidal policy over the last twenty years by pointing at China and claiming, "We had to show them we were the boss".

From AI to A-bombs, there's nothing you can't get away with by insisting "China Bad! This will stop them!"

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 7 points 19 hours ago

It's a very convenient go-to excuse. And as long as the American public keeps lapping it up, those in power will keep counting on it.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 23 hours ago

We are operating from a position of strength!

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[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 31 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

I think Americans should ban debate clubs. Clearly they're only teaching how to create mental convolutions instead of creating sound arguments.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 hours ago

Unironically many debate clubs practice and teach this

[–] subverted_per@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Oh no, debate clubs are actually very good at teaching kids how to discern good information from bad, and how to make proper arguments with supporting evidence. Right wing media teaches gish gallop and never be wrong, it's these two ideas that have taken over discourse.

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 hours ago

I will have to take your word on that. Got to admit my opinion is based on a limited set of people I had the displeasure of interacting with.

[–] sangeteria@lemmy.ml 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Americans should consider doing mathematical convolution instead. Very important for functional analysis with deep connections to the Laplace, and thus Fourier, transforms.

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[–] mecen@lemmy.ca 27 points 23 hours ago

I thing losing $400b will greatly help to put china in its place

[–] BottleBoardBakon@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'd put money on China being able to pwn the USA with the click of a button. We know about salt typhoon, and there's been documented backdoors in IoT devices and some Unitree bots. Imagine all the things we don't know about. Especially regarding power generation and general aging infrastructure.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 22 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

Buddy, I could tell you that based on the fact that they've lost every single war they've been in since WWII.

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[–] fanbois@hexbear.net 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

An open conflict between the US and china would probably end with exactly zero winners and an uninhabitable glowing piece of rock orbiting the sun. Maybe the cockroaches can then find a better path to communism.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago

I feel like nukes are more just showpieces than item that anyone actually considers using.

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[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

Literally the equivalent of a homeless libertarian laughing at well to do, middle class Chinese people because he thinks he's better off

demonstrating that the US is willing

Yes, because America is famous for the ambiguity around whether or not we'd go to war with global South nations

and able

No

In that sense, it was already won

The government can behave like a rabid dog, but China would Old Yeller America

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China and Iran are allies.

If the US and China go to war Iran will close the strait to their enemies. And we’ve seen the US is impotent to that and overly reliant on oil.

I think China just has to deal with a first strike from the US and then wait for an impotent United States to fall apart and starve.

[–] JillyB@beehaw.org 2 points 14 hours ago

I think your last point is pretty accurate. The US side has done a bunch of war games for a Taiwan invasion situation. In these games, the US side barely wins. To me, that's evidence the US probably loses. All of the Chinese decision making is done by US military people that think like the US military. If the PLA acts differently, they could easily be in a better position. Also, the Chinese capabilities will be based on US intelligence. Unless the Pentagon knows everything about missile ranges, warhead sizes, magazine depth, aircraft speeds and ranges, etc, they won't be able to anticipate a capability they didn't know about.

Probably most importantly, China has a vast industrial base and would be much closer to the fighting. All they really have to do is use up the US missile stockpiles and shoot down a few planes (probably while they're just parked in Okinawa). Once the war becomes about who can manufacture more missiles and planes to replace losses, there's no way the US will be able to keep up. If it becomes a protracted war, the US loses by default.

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