I dont like the left/right frame used in talking about societal structures because they are not anchored properly. How we define them can be so vastly different. This makes it easier for the machine to control the conversation to benefit itself.
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They're defined differently because liberals desperately want them to be.
The left is revolutionary-progressive politics. The right is conservative-regressive politics. Those are the anchors. Those have always been the anchors.
In the 1700s, when the term was first being used, being a liberal was left wing, because that was relatively revolutionary when there were still Monarchists around. Since the mid 1800s left wing has always started at anti-capitalism, because liberalism was the default view.
What about a middle ground like solidarism?
I agree
We should just abolish the left and right dichotomy tbh
fuck capitalism, all my homies hate capitalism
are these your kissing homies, your cuddling homies, your fighting homies, or do you make no distinction you kiss and cuddle and fight alongside all the homies
i got this homie application right here and i just want to have the right box checked
no distinction, its whatevs the homies are down for 😉
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I can't tell what's actually being advocated for here. And this run up to the midterms means that I seriously doubt the intentions of many on "the left".
I strongly suspect meddling from America's enemies to divide and conquer by convincing well-meaning people actually on the left that their votes won't help anything.
Unfortunately I must either choose between capitalism and living like a stray dog
Forced, coerced, under duress. "choose" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
Capitalism is a private group using societal resources to make unreviewed and unappealable decisions. It's absolutely an authoritarian base system of economics and it is already being used to strip away protected freedoms because businesses are not bound by civil restrictions like government. A typical example are phone records provided to the police by phone carriers. At no point does any user have the ability to voice their concern for being stalked by a system resistant to change.
Your left or absolute left? When the Overton window of a nation is so far off the centre that your left is the global right, and your right is in crazy-town right and left start to mean strange things.
it's weird how a lot of us, our positions on specific issues has not changed (i mean a few have, i've learned a few things, but in general they're all pointing the same direction) i'm looking at the meme @Godric@lemmy.world shared, and i've gone from "i mean it's just a piece of paper. Grampas never got one and (at least when we were around) claimed to never want one" to "give them the same rights as us or i'll stab you. yes i'm talking about the LGBTQ community but i really don't care who Them is. Same rights for everybody." It wasn't until i got some deep education on the tax system that i didn't just want to raise taxes on the wealthy, i wanted to hose them. like 95% ttop marginal tax rate.
I've always been told i'd get more right wing as i aged, but those were people whose education stopped at some point.
Working as intended…
This is why the left-right spectrum is functionally useless as soon as you start naming specifics. A person who supports all the above policies and is pro-capitalist would be a social democrat.
Well, UBI is a leftist idea. Even though, it's a very right wing coded leftist idea.
None of the other points are in either side of that dichotomy. Almost like if it's a false one.
that must be where you live. Out here in statesia, the dichotomy is kind of based around those issues. My point being, every country has its own politics.
Out here in statesia
AFAIK, your politics don't even have a left wing...
Your press is somehow making a scandal out of the new New York "socialists" policies, like selling food at market prices in places the poor can access.
the concept of left-right divide is merely where the aisle in congress/parliament is. it comes from revolutionary France. it's entirely relative to the country.
Statesia's "left" does a lot of stuff that the rest of the global organizations that Statesia is included in (eg G7 or G20) would have them aligning with parties that sit on the right side of their country's aisle. i get it. but there is still an aisle in statesia. it's between y'alls right wing and y'alls lunatic fringe right wing. here it's just our left and right. which sucks balls but i like my home and i'd rather try to push the overton window back left than give up on it.
And the punchline is that yes, yes you are.
Indeed! These are the definitions of the political systems in respect to left and right
Hypothetically you could be educated enough to know that Marxism is a better way to organize and distribute resources, while also hating the human race enough that you are a capitalist because you yearn for human extinction.
my economics degree feels seen thank you. i went to a right wing econ school and if you even mentioned that economies had goals of both efficiency AND equity (not accounting equity. closer to equality but not quite) and capitalism ignores equity, well, you failed the class.
Are you doing okay? You do realize that I was the person you were arguing with the other day. The one where you threatened to report me for "impersonating a physician", and that you had several post graduate degrees that were "better" than mine, and taught physicians who are all idiots? When I asked what your education was you acted like you couldn't give me any information because I was going to dox you?
And now you randomly respond to me in a different post unprompted to tell me you have an econ degree, and post that you're a private music teacher?
Like, I don't care about the stuff from yesterday. I'm just wondering if you've been feeling off lately, or if you have recently been under a lot of stress that may be affecting how you communicate with others? I don't mean to pry and I'm not trying to be rude, just checking in on a fellow human. Something about your writing and switch in tone is ringing some alarms. If I'm out of line, let me know and I'll drop it.
i'd be willing to discuss it in private, but there's a chance it wasn't "me" you were talking to, it was "I". short version, my asshole drives the ship sometimes. and he's a real asshole. he got off his leash back in... february? march? i can't remember. getting him back on it has been difficult.
yes, i have a bachelor's in economics (from a terrible university) i also have multiple other advanced degrees. each is from the leading institution in its field. simply put, if you're going to denigrate my experience, i'm going to denigrate yours, dude.
the reason i consider most physicians idiots is because in my [medical. i offer one in medicine and a few others] CPE i offer, i make them take a pretest like they're in elementary school. It's over basic anatomy. Only one in five passes.
thanks for checking in though. a silly, though heated argument, shouldn't be the end of a relationship. i got out of line. sorry dude.
No worries, it's just the internet. I don't specialize in any kind of mental health care, I'm a bones and joint guy. But growing up my mother was afflicted with pretty bad untreated bipolar disorder so I'm pretty empathetic to anyone trying to wrangle their mental health to a better place.
If you ever need a sympathetic ear, feel free to shoot me a message.
thanks. if you're ever not sure, just ask me who you're talking to (or tell me i'll be eaten by clowns) and it should be enough to get the sane one of me back in control. most people don't notice duality.
Sure thing. Gotta be able to recognize duality to embrace nonduality.
"Before I studied Zen, mountains were mountains and rivers were rivers; when I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains and rivers are not rivers; but now that I have got its very substance, I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and rivers once again as rivers."
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