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huge own goal for the zionists to tweet this… along with the photo they posted of hundreds of civilian cars destroyed at the rave, things are coming into focus and it's not a good look for the IDF
missed that photo, do you happen to have it handy
I don't, but here's a video of human shields being used: https://files.catbox.moe/4g4zrr.mp4
I know it's unreasonable to expect random civilians to know what to do in situations like this, but I swear I am yelling at the screen. Holy fuck, get your heads down and keep them there!!! Just a general rule if you're ever in the middle of a bunch of gunfire and don't have a gun yourself, watching ain't worth it. Get as low as you can till the shooting stops.
youre not a civilian if youre a settler 
you literally stole people's homes by force
Yeah if you are an Israeli living outside the 1948 borders you are a settler even by the definition of 
Excepting any Old Yishuv
Yeah or the Bedouins who go where they want.
i think people who were born there and dodged the draft can be OK, but ideally they'd be on some 5th column shit.
Look, I'm no expert on army command structures and the specific structure of the IOF, but I find it pretty unbelievable that the lowest ranked soldier Hamas encountered was a corporal.
I suspect the number of actual civilians in the list is embarrassingly small.
I thought that too, but looking at it the IDF just autopromotes everyone to corporal after 4-12 months of service, then to sergeant after 18-20 months. So everyone that's conscripted ends up as a sergeant or higher by the end of compulsory service. Presumably a decent chunk of the time as a private is in training.
Seems weird to me to have a system where a conscript army bare has any privates and 90% of your reserves are sergeants, but maybe maybe it's motivational for them to feel more important like that or something.
literal participation trophy army lmao
everyone gets a nice working trophy except the merkavas
That's kinda hilarious tbh. Military autopromotion always makes me think of how my *dad did some work rehousing members of the British Army who were made redundant and they had to make him a lieutenant in order to fit the idea of a civilian telling them what to do into their heads. Got jumped straight to CO by being on a base for 5 minutes.
Bootbrain is a helluva drug.
In conscript armies auto promotion to corporal after a few months is quite common. I know quite a few older people that were conscripted to the South African Army before 1994, and most were corporals or lance corporals.
They've got a mandatory serve for 2 years, no? How many of the list were active at the time?
Would love a good % of "civilians" killed because it's looking like virtually all of the 1400 were enlisted at some point recently.
It does look like a solid 60% are higher ranks though, so justifiably fucked.
All I’m gonna say is that the if they’re gonna treat “military aged male” as a meaningful distinction, then “army reservist” should be one too
except we think it's ghoulish that 
did that so we should specify when we're using our own standards vs using the imperialists' standards to make a sick burn
Hmm, it's not entirely accurate since she colored a bunch of civilians too. I'd love to have this mess in an excel file so we can figure out the exact number. It's different from the Haaretz numbers here. I suspect Haaretz didn't count the reserve soldiers with the soldiers while this list has (res) in front of their names.
Looks correct, Israel clearly tried to bury all the military names towards the bottom but its not 100% IDF after half way, the person highlighting just gave up. Its not even like theres comma delineation.
i'm not sure about counting conscript reserves as legitimate targets but it's a settler colony so fuck 'em they should've stayed home or had as much spine as that swifty.
I FUCKING KNEW IT
I'm still not sure to be honest, but yeah, I've been suspicious of the accounts of that day.
There is also the possibility that there were a majority of civilian deaths (official numbers do suggest a small majority of civilians), but not all of them from Palestinian fighters; this article is especially interesting; I quote:
Kibbutz Be’eri has been a favoured destination for BBC reporters keen to illustrate Hamas’ barbarity. It is where Lucy Williamson headed again this week. And yet none of her reporting highlighted comments made to the Israeli Haaretz newspaper by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator. He said Israeli military commanders had ordered the "shelling [of] houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages".
I haven't checked the Haaretz piece in question myself though. There is also this piece:
Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says
If you take the case of Shani Louk, for example, it sounds like she was never taken hostage in the first place, but killed at the festival and her body put on the back of a truck and taken back to Gaza. Which is where that awful video of people spitting on her body comes from.
Israel found fragments of her skull at the festival site, so she was already dead when she was put back on that truck and taken to Gaza.
But the people that had her body contacted her mother and tried to arrange ransom.
That is probably why the video, which has been so useful for Israeli propaganda, was released in the first place, to give the impression she was alive.
After Hamas broke through the border lots of non-resistance Palestinians also came through and I would imagine some of them were probably chancers who committed violence or did things like this (trying to claim ransom for an already dead body).
None of that is to suggest Hamas didn’t also kill civilians, but if a ‘terrorist’ attack is able to get majority military targets what does that mean for the IDF when they are inflicting 99%+ civilian casualties?
It's such an obvious self own too. Just don't give them their ranks on your public propaganda piece.
damn, you're sayin that a guerilla fighting force fully aware that they should expect reprisals launched their surprise attacks against military targets and not civilian? what, as if the goal was to weaken israel's capacity to respond and not just to inflict as much human suffering as possible?
Also I wonder how many of the settlers were killed by either panicking IOF troops or were deliberately murdered by the IOF
Settlers are counted as military or civillian?
this post was submitted on 08 Nov 2023
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