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In the days after the Hamas attack on Israel, Max Strozenberg, a first-year student at Northwestern University, experienced a couple of jarring incidents. Walking into his dorm, he was startled to see a poster calling Gaza a “modern-day concentration camp” pinned to a bulletin board next to Halloween ghosts and pumpkins. At a pro-Palestinian rally, he heard students shouting, “Hey, Schill, what do you say, how many kids did you kill today,” an echo of a chant from the anti-Vietnam War movement, now directed at Northwestern’s president, Michael H. Schill, who is Jewish. Mr. Strozenberg’s paternal grandparents escaped the Nazis just before other family members were taken to the concentration camps. Now, he finds himself in an eerie time warp, resisting his grandmother’s pleas to take off the small star of David that he wears around his neck. It’s not that he is feeling safe — just defiant. The mood on campus these days, he said, “is not pro-Palestinian, it’s antisemitic.”

Jewish students cite a litany of attention-grabbing antisemitic incidents. Pro-Palestinian students at George Washington University used a library facade to project giant slogans like “Glory to Our Martyrs.” Next to a Jewish fraternity at the University of Pennsylvania, someone scrawled “The Jews R Nazis.” At the Cooper Union, a private college in New York City, frightened Jewish students huddled behind locked doors at a library, while demonstrators shouted “Free Palestine” and banged on the doors and windows. And at Cornell, a computer science major was arrested, accused of making online threats to shoot up a kosher dining hall and rape and murder Jewish students. “I’m scared to walk outside,” said Simone Shteingart, a senior and vice president of Cornell Hillel, the Jewish campus group. “I’m scared that my name is out there as a leader of the Jewish community, and I’m scared for all my peers.”

Many Jewish students say that while these attacks are alarming enough, they are also pained by the slogans that harness the horrors of the Holocaust and turn them against Jews or Israel — like accusing Israelis of “genocide” or “ethnic cleansing.” In this telling, Jews are not victims but “Nazis” and “fascist” oppressors. To many Jews who believe Israel had a right to self-defense and retaliation after the Hamas attack, accusing Israel of such atrocities against Palestinians is an insidious form of antisemitism. Jason Rubenstein, the senior rabbi of the Joseph Slifka Center for Jewish Life at Yale, wrote in an open letter that he was “no defender of many of Israel’s policies.” But when it came to the Hamas attack, he said, “nothing could be more beside the point: No one is inevitably forced to kidnap babies, or massacre wheelchair-bound revelers at a rave.” “Antisemitism isn’t primarily about hurting or killing Jews, and it’s not based on some theory of racial inferiority (or superiority),” he wrote. “Instead, antisemitism is a fear, and hatred, of Jewish power — expressed primarily as a readiness to believe that Jews, when organized and acting together on large scales, are dangerous, the very essence of evil.”

Pro-Palestinian supporters are quick to push back, asking whether any criticism of Israel and Zionism is acceptable. They say that the cries of antisemitism are an attempt to stifle speech and divert attention from a 16-year blockade of Gaza by Israel, backed by Egypt, that has devastated the lives of Palestinians. They point to the uprooting of 700,000 people during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. And they rail against Israel’s current invasion of Gaza, which has killed more than 10,000 people, according to the Gazan health ministry. “We stand staunchly against all forms of racism and bigotry,” said Anna Babboni, a senior at Scripps College in Claremont, Calif., and one of the leaders of the local chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine. Ms. Babboni said her group is not antisemitic, but it is anti-Zionist. “We are fighting against a root cause, which is white supremacy, and trying to build a world which is beyond Zionism, beyond racism, beyond white supremacy,” she said. Pro-Palestinian students like Ms. Babboni see their movement as connected to others that have stood up for an oppressed people. And they have adopted a potent vocabulary, rooted in the hothouse jargon of academia, that grafts the history of the Israeli and Palestinian peoples onto the more familiar terms of social justice movements at home.

[...] skipping the irrelevant university donor drama [...]

To some extent, the debate is inflamed by a generational divide surfacing on campuses. In a recent Quinnipiac University poll that asked whether voters approved or disapproved of Israel’s response to the Hamas attack, those 35 and older tended to approve, with percentages rising as voters aged. But for 18- to 34-year-old voters, slightly more than half — 52 percent — disapproved. “There is much less of a taboo in being very aggressively critical of Israel among the younger generation — and I think that is true among young liberal Jews as well,” said Angus Johnston, a historian who studies and supports student activism.

The current pro-Palestinian protests, he said, are “being supported by, and in many cases, led by young American Jews.” Sarah Lawrence College, in Westchester County, N.Y., is ranked seventh on Hillel’s list of “Top 60 Schools Jews Choose,” because of its high percentage of Jewish students. But at the left-leaning college, students who support Israel say they can feel isolated. “There was an active campaign on campus of saying that if you go to Hillel, you’re racist,” said Sammy Tweedy, a Jewish student from Chicago, who described himself as sympathetic to both sides in the conflict . Mr. Tweedy said he began to feel particularly ostracized after attending a Birthright trip to Israel in 2020. “I did not have friends anymore,” he said. “And I would hear that people had heard I was a fascist or a Nazi or a racist. And I was like, ‘Where is this coming from?’” The problems accelerated when the war broke out; he was studying in Tel Aviv. He shared Instagram screenshots with The New York Times in which students went so far as to tell him, “The blood of Gaza is on your hands.” In October, the local chapter of Hillel wrote a letter to the college’s leadership threatening a federal complaint if it did not take steps to rectify “persistent and pervasive antisemitism.” Sarah Lawrence’s president, Cristle Collins Judd, said the college stood in opposition to all forms of hate. “Sarah Lawrence treats and fully investigates all reports of bias,” Dr. Judd said in a statement, adding, “We are actively engaged in direct conversations with students from our various Jewish student organizations, and have responded individually and collectively to concerns shared with us by students and families.”

Mr. Tweedy, who said his complaints to the university had not been addressed, has decided to finish his degree in a study-abroad program. “I have a pact with myself that I will never, ever step a single foot on their campus again,” he said. The demand for ideological conformity with the Palestinian cause — as a condition of participating in other aspects of campus life — is a form of antisemitism, said Bethany Slater, executive director of the Hillel chapter of the Claremont Colleges in California. “I don’t feel Jewish students should feel socially threatened and have to give up their connection with their Jewish culture and community for the sake of something else that they care about,” she said.

But in a sign of the impasse, Bella Jacobs, a Jewish student at Pitzer, a Claremont college, said that as a pro-Palestinian supporter, she felt ostracized by Hillel. "A lot of Jewish students feel excluded from Jewish spaces on campus that are run by Hillel,” said Ms. Jacobs, the campus leader of Jewish Voice for Peace, an anti-Zionist organization. “And they’re especially disappointed by the fact that Hillel has recently tried to speak on behalf of all Jewish students, just like the state of Israel tried to speak on behalf of all Jewish people.”

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[-] pixelscience@lemm.ee 87 points 10 months ago

The same thing is all over the news around LA. "Antisemetic messages were painted on a building"... They say stuff like"Isreal is killing children."

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago

That's blood libel. Just like what the Germans did in the 1930s, right before they ran Jews out of their homes and drove tanks through their communities and rounded them up for mass deportations and killed them.

No. I see you're about to say something. Don't. Even thinking it is just going to get you in deeper trouble.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago

but then some zionist group like the adl will go out and spraypaint a bunch of swastikas nearby and call up the local news to anonymously report it

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 68 points 10 months ago

Colleges from 2002 to 2022

Administrators: Fine. Cool. Good. freeze-peach

Colleges in 2023

walter-yell SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN!

[-] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

"woman is the Jew of the world" - John Lennon, probably

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 64 points 10 months ago

By the way MSNBC and CNN are doing a piece every hour on how out of control ant semitism is on campuses and as you would expect the "rampant anti semitism" is people criticizing Isreal.

They're really pushing their luck here. They've been saying criticism of Isreal is antisemitism so much when people hear there's a rise in antisemitism on campuses their reaction is soon gonna be "good I'm glad there's more criticism of isreal"

[-] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

It's so that people reading the NYT and cable news don't take their children seriously when they talk them about Israel

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 10 months ago

It's scary because this actively normalises anti-semitism. Actual anti-semites love shit like this, the media is doing their job of muddying the waters for them.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 10 months ago

it's empire-wide.. CBC, BBC, DW.. they're all running non-stop microscopic violin articles for the zionists

[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

At Cornell, a computer science major was arrested...

cw for threats of violence and SAaccused of making online threats to shoot up a kosher dining hall and rape and murder Jewish students

The one actually antisemitic thing in this post. Why are you like this, computer science people?

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Computer science people are majority settlers themselves, and it was computer science people that first filled the likes of 4chan and other adjacent hives of internet scum. I genuinely don't expect anyone in my field to be any better than your average Elliot Rodgers until they prove themselves better anymore.

[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 10 months ago
[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

hey not all of us are like that. I only make violent threats towards western journalists

[-] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Why are you like this, computer science people?

I blame HN brainworms, isolation, and lack of political education.

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

like, any evidence that he had anything to do with Palestinian solidarity or is he literally just some nazi fuck that they can point to to discredit the movement?

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

It's the second one. Media just looooves conflating shit to make false narratives.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago
[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 10 months ago

Edited it, lmk if you think it's OK now

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

They have to always cover their asses by putting one actual incident of antisemitic violence, so if anyone questions how antisemitism is being defined, they can say "what, so you think bomb threats against Jews aren't antisemitic?"

[-] jaeme@hexbear.net 58 points 10 months ago

“Antisemitism isn’t primarily about hurting or killing Jews, and it’s not based on some theory of racial inferiority (or superiority),” he wrote. “Instead, antisemitism is a fear, and hatred, of Jewish power — expressed primarily as a readiness to believe that Jews, when organized and acting together on large scales, are dangerous, the very essence of evil.” (Jason Rubenstein, the senior rabbi of the Joseph Slifka Center for Jewish Life at Yale)

I've just been rereading this part in my head multiple times and I'm just so unnerved by this. Like yeah this isn't wrong, but it feels like a subtle attempt to foment Jewish chauvinism that's so common in Zionist spaces. It re-contextualizes Jewish history in a way that makes it seem as if Jewish nationalism was a recurring theme rather than a modern phenomenon. It's like saying that Eastern European pogroms occurred because people feared Jewish power (there were literally not enough Jews for that to happen esp. with explusions) instead of being a symptom of creating a lower class of society to exploit. Maybe I'm reading too deeply into this liberal Zionist cliché.

CW Genocide Mention

“And I would hear that people had heard I was a fascist or a Nazi or a racist. And I was like, ‘Where is this coming from?’” The problems accelerated when the war broke out; he was studying in Tel Aviv. He shared Instagram screenshots with The New York Times in which students went so far as to tell him, “The blood of Gaza is on your hands.” ... The demand for ideological conformity with the Palestinian cause — as a condition of participating in other aspects of campus life — is a form of antisemitism.

Ah yes, the most troubling issue to Jews right now is being cyberbullied for taking the side of genocide. This is literally holocaust by bullet right now happening in the battlefield of =X.com=

[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Zionism is a mix of religious supremacy("God's chosen people" and all that, first Israeli prime minister saying that the land was theirs because it was promised to them by god) and white supremacy(sterilization of Ethiopian Jews, apartheid against Palestine). You're not reading into it too much.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 10 months ago

This sounds like some damn nazi shit, or imperial Germany at least. "They are afraid of our power and superiority" is the calling card of the fascist.

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 56 points 10 months ago

A few of the things cited are pretty clearly antisemitic threats -

And at Cornell, a computer science major was arrested, accused of making online threats to shoot up a kosher dining hall and rape and murder Jewish students.

And the one about "Jews R nazis"

But really this isn't that hard. Judaism is a religion, jewishness is a ethnicity, and Zionism is a political project. Assuming that all members of a religion or ethnicity are automatically part of a political project is racism, pure and simple.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

Can't be said enough how many Jews have been targeted for harassment and assault precisely because they won't toe the Zionist line. Can't be said enough how Zionists have used the same ethnic cleansing techniques employed on Arabs against Beta Israelis and Sephardic Jews.

The Zionist Project is, itself, deeply anti-Semitic.

[-] WasteTime@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can find many quotes by zionists that are offensive enough as to belong to a nazi rant, and some of them are even from left wing zionists. It's an anti-jew ideology that seeks to create the myth of a nation-state composed of white people, they don't really care about religion or historical facts.

‘The Jew is a caricature of a normal, natural human being, both physically and spiritually. As an individual in society he revolts and throws off the harness of social obligations, knows no order nor discipline.’ ( Our Shomer ‘Weltanschauung’ , Hashomer Hatzair, December 1936, p.26. As cited by Lenni Brenner)

‘The fact is undeniable that the Jews, collectively, are unhealthy and neurotic. Those professional Jews who, wounded to the quick, indignantly deny this truth are the greatest enemies of their race, for they thereby lead them to search for false solutions, or at most palliatives.’ (Ben Frommer, The Significance of a Jewish State, Jewish Call, Shanghai, May 1935, p.10. As cited by Lenni Brenner)

‘The enterprising spirit of the Jew is irrepressible. He refuses to remain a proletarian. He will grab at the first opportunity to advance to a higher rung in the social ladder.’ (The Economic Development of the Jewish People, Ber Borochov, 1916)

I contemplate with horror the future development of this race of (assimilated Jews of Europe) which is sustained morally by no tradition, whose soul is poisoned with hostility to both its own and to strange blood, and whose self-respect is destroyed through the ever-present consciousness of a fundamental lie.… This is the picture of the Jewish people at the end of the nineteenth century. To sum up: the majority of Jews are a race of accursed beggars. (Max Nordau)

‘The emancipated Jew is insecure in his relations with his fellow-beings, timid with strangers, suspicious even toward the secret feeling of his friends. His best powers are exhausted in the suppression, or at least in the difficult concealment of his own real character. For he fears that this character might be recognised as Jewish, and he has never the satisfaction of showing himself as he is, in all his thoughts and sentiments. He becomes an inner cripple, and externally unreal, and thereby always ridiculous and hateful to all higher-feeling men, as is everything that is unreal. All the better Jews in Western Europe groan under this, or seek for alleviation. They no longer possess the belief which gives the patience necessary to bear sufferings, because it sees in them the will of a punishing but not loving God.’ (Address at the First Zionist Congress, Max Nordau, 1897)

‘Before the emancipation, the Jew was a stranger among the peoples, but he did not for a moment think of making a stand against his fate. He felt himself as belonging to a race of his own, which had nothing in common with the other people of the country. The emancipated Jew is insecure in his relations with his fellow-beings, timid with strangers, suspicious even toward the secret feeling of his friends.’ Max Nordau 26, address at the first Zionist Congress, Basle, 1897

And one quote from Theodor Herzl from when the jews got support from the general public during the Dreyfus affair, he went mad:

‘[French Jews] seek protection from the socialists and the destroyers of the present civil order … truly they are not Jews anymore. To be sure, they are not Frenchmen either. They will probably become the leaders of European anarchism.’

Herzl alone is full of fucked up shit, it's low hanging fruit.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Half of these read like something Woody Allen would use in a tight five.

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Zionism has some striking similarities to classical western antisemitism. Both insists that the will to subjugate other people is essential to Jewishness and both insists that Jews living in western countries are aliens who doesn't belong there.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

"Jews R Nazis" has some real "blacks rule" energy

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago

100% I was thinking the same thing. On the other hand, antisemitism does exist and antisemites are idiots.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

A few of the things cited are pretty clearly antisemitic threats

Indeed. However, various European countries are reporting crazy stats like a 300% increase in anti-Semitism. In one case, only 90% of cases were truly anti-Jew. So there has been a moderate increase (rather than a skyrocketing one)

[-] glans@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

90% of 300%?

Or 90% compared to some baseline, in which case actually a decrease?

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

It was about 90% of the cases that caused about a 300% increase. And I forget if it was France or Germany.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 10 months ago

these stats are patently ridiculous to even proclaim without data... it's such an easy fabrication that includes its own protection from ridicule because simply asking for any sort of evidence implies you're antisemitic yourself

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

Instead, antisemitism is a fear, and hatred, of Jewish power

funny, you ask a nazi and they'll tell you the exact same thing. "Jews actually do pull the strings, but it's a good thing" is not the anti-antisemitic slogan you think it is.

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago

There's some pushback in the comments there. They notice that "antisemitic attacks" are not typically political violence on campuses but passionate protesters and activists opposing ethnic cleansing and apartheid by Israel.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

Get the fuck over it you baby fucking Zionist coward. Need a fucking night light to sleep too?

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 28 points 10 months ago

Wait until the NYT learns that Palestinians are Semites.

[-] thisismyrealname@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

not even technically correct and astoundingly stupid point

the term "antisemite" has never meant "racist against Semitic peoples". it was coined in 1870s germany to make hatred of Jews (Judenhass) sound more scientific

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

Yeah this take is just annoying. Zionists are already trying to warp the meaning of antisemitism, we don't need to be doing the same. Call anti-Palestinians racist and Islamophobic.

[-] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

While this is true, anti-Semitism is specifically anti-Jewish.

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[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

this isn't really accurate to the etymology of the word, and i don't think it usefully describes a single phenomenon.

[-] Lamb@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 months ago

Just to bring it up, terms may have a bit different of a meaning. E.g. homophobia doesn't mean people literally fear gays, which is an argument many homophobes enjoy bringing up.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So-called "anti-anti-Semites" anti-Semites (those who make Jews more vulnerable in the name of fighting against anti-Semitism) are quickly making the term "anti-Semitism" meaningless. The term itself is I believe a result of scientific racism in Europe, supplanting "Jew-hatred" (Judenhass). Of course, the only people I see now still using that term also happen to be anti-anti-semite anti-semites who believe it is a stronger smear than "anti-semite" (an admission that they have ruined the term). I hereby propose we switch to the extant-but-uncommon term "Judeophobia" to refer to actual incidents of anti-Jewish behavior. "Judeomisia" would of course be more precise, but few know the "-misia" suffix.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

Might be a good education campaign for an underused suffix. If I never have to hear another chud say “I ain’t fraid of em, just don’t like em”, I would be happy.

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[-] D3FNC@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

All I'm gonna say is some FBI agent running a neo nazi recruitment op out there is having the best month of his entire life

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

I saw a tweet about how Israelis were being "bombarded with stories". They want the conscience unbothered, while they commit genocide. Buck up.

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

These articles about antisemitic attacks always contain 5 instances of protesters being loud, 6 instances of Zionist students being uncomfortable with being questioned by everyone else in class and being unable to answer the question, and 1 instance of bomb threats against a Jewish community center, and then if you question their definition of antisemitism, the people who share it will always say "What, so bomb threats against Jews isn't antisemitic?"

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